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CNET Chimes In, States IRC Will Compete With Instant Messenger

Thursday September 9th, 1999

News.com's Paul Festa has an article regarding the new IRC and Jabber clients in development, and claims that the IRC will be "in direct competition with AOL's own messaging software", although it's not clear how that would happen. The article also states that Mozilla's beta will be occurring in 4 weeks, which is off by about a 3 to 4 weeks, according to a news post that came out today. There's still a lot of work to be done, but they are making good progress.

Thanks to Kovu for the news.


#1 hmmm....

by Anon

Thursday September 9th, 1999 7:27 PM

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Ok, first everyone says Mozilla has no outside developers, then when we see outside development it gets bashed or it's not liked

#2 A relatively positive article for a change!

by Ben_Goodger

Thursday September 9th, 1999 7:56 PM

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Well, aside from the usual "they shouldn't be wasting time on add-ons" rubbish, this was the first relatively optimistic article I've seen from a place like CNet in a while on mozilla. Most of the goodness came from the quotes from Mike Shaver and Rob Ginda though ;)

#3 download manager

by Anon

Thursday September 9th, 1999 8:13 PM

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Here's a thought. Instead of integrated IRC or whatever into the browser how about making a download manager for Commincator5.

This could be very helpful. Allow people to pause, stop and finish it later, ect...

Also, now Ads like Netscape has down with SmartDownload.

#5 You want it, work on it!

by Anon

Thursday September 9th, 1999 9:22 PM

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Robert Ginda wanted to see if he could use Mozilla to write an IRC client, so he did.

You want a download manager, contribute towards it. If you can't write code, contribute to discussions in the ui and netlib newsgroups on what you think you'd need from a download manager user interface and what the networking library would need to do to accomodate you. If it's that popular an idea, someone out there will want to work on it.

Mozilla is open source. You get out of it what you put into it.

Ginda wants an IRC client. You want a download manager.

Ginda writes code and contributes to the project. You complain and contribute nothing.

And that's why we have an IRC client and no download manager.

#7 You want it, work on it!

by Anon

Thursday September 9th, 1999 10:05 PM

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buddy -- check your attitude at the door please.

#17 You want it, work on it!

by Anon

Saturday September 11th, 1999 2:48 AM

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He is right

What we don't need is people contributing nothing and baching others contributions. If someone want a DownloadManager theyll have to wait for someone to make one or do it themsealves there is no "Instead of" !

#10 Basic version (like IE5's but better)?

by leafdigital

Friday September 10th, 1999 3:11 AM

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IE5 appears to have a *very* rudimentary "download manager" - in other words, it can occasionally manage to resume file transfer from the point it left off, if the download screws up or your PC crashes, and you click on the same thing again.

This doesn't work very often (don't know why), but it *is* there and it's a *very* good "usability feature" because it dramatically reduces irritation. ("Oh dear, my browser crashed, I'll have to click that link again", vs "Oh dear, my browser crashed, I'll now have to download the first 6 megabytes of that file again over my modem".)

Are there plans to include that feature in Mozilla? It could be as simple as including "Resume" / "Overwrite" / "Cancel" options, to replace the "File exists, are you sure you want to overwrite" dialog. The actual resume is very easy in http 1.1.

*shrugs* I'll live without it - I just wondered. That might be an easier task for somebody to program [sorry, not volunteering - no time to learn Mozilla codebase, & too busy with work and my own projects anyway :(] in the event that a full download manager proves impractical.

--sam

#12 Basic version (like IE5's but better)?

by Ben_Goodger

Friday September 10th, 1999 4:57 AM

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N4.x does that too I think, if you're downloading from a FTP site that supports resume, and only if you get terminated (but don't click "cancel" or something like that)...

#16 Well

by Anon

Friday September 10th, 1999 3:45 PM

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There's SmartDownload which allows you to pause and a bunch of other crap, but it only works on a few sites (probably the FTPs that support resume)

#6 this will happen..

by Ben_Goodger

Thursday September 9th, 1999 9:22 PM

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this is already planned :) (from what I've heard)

#9 oops forget that :(

by Ben_Goodger

Friday September 10th, 1999 12:10 AM

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I misinterpreted your post. A managed installation for Mozilla will be featured, like Smartupdate.

I dont know about a general download manager, it would be useful, but I dont know if anyone is doing one. (are they?)

#8 download manager

by Anon

Thursday September 9th, 1999 11:35 PM

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SilentDownload will be a Download Manager for Mozilla.

#4 Mozilla's beta will be occurring in 4 weeks ?

by Anon

Thursday September 9th, 1999 9:02 PM

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According the article on c|net, it also states that Mozilla's beta will be occurring in 4 weeks, anyone can confirm with this ?

#14 Mozilla's beta will be occurring in 4 weeks ?

by Anon

Friday September 10th, 1999 5:04 AM

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read the news post above...

#11 The built-in IRC will compete with *anything*?

by Anon

Friday September 10th, 1999 3:14 AM

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Built-in IRC may be useful for those who can't be bothered to download a client themselves, but to imagine it'll compete with *anything* is a bit foolish... it ain't going to be a top-of-the-line irc client.

Anyone remember Netscape Chat? (Heh heh. Heh heh heh.)

#13 The built-in IRC will compete with *anything*?

by Ben_Goodger

Friday September 10th, 1999 5:01 AM

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how do you know? Where there's a will, there's a way. Given that the UI is done in XUL and JS, I'd imagine there'd be an even greater number of developers that could potentially work on such a client than one written entirely in compiled code. Mozilla provides an excellent platform for developing web applications, and basically the sky's the limit for whatever you want to do.

#19 The built-in IRC will compete with *anything*?

by arielb

Monday September 13th, 1999 11:31 PM

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I'm not aware of a single IRC client for windows with a decent UI. Yes I have pirch and mirc. You can't even copy and paste properly with them

#15 IRC compete?

by Anon

Friday September 10th, 1999 7:45 AM

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IRC has been around MUCH longer than instant messaging. I seriously doubt it will compete with anything as, in my experience, it's harder for people to download an IRC client, join a server, and then join a channel to chat than for them to just get an instant messaging client and use that.

And who cares anyway? IRC is a protocol, not corporate software. Anybody can use IRC for whatever they want.

#18 IRC compete?

by Anon

Sunday September 12th, 1999 4:48 AM

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Couldn't agree more. People that use IRC now will use IRC later and people that are inexperienced computer users (comprising that oh-so-nessesary market share for the not-quite-sure-if-they're-bastards-or-not-yet folks at AOL) will not. It's simple.