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New Poll Up

Sunday August 15th, 1999

The last poll was apparently unclear, so we have a new poll up.

Let me make something clear to all the OS/2 users in a tizzy because their OS of choice wasn't in the last poll. The poll's intent was not to catalog reader's OS of choice. If that was the case, Win9x and WinNT would have been on the list, as well. The poll was meant to gauge expectations for new OS revisions (with the addition of Mozilla on Java, which is a new platform in and of itself). I've seen no indication (and have yet to find any) that a new revision of the consumer OS/2 is planned. I have come across vague rumblings that StarDock might take over development, but that's really not enough to qualify as a new revision. That is the only reason OS/2 wasn't on the list.

The poll was not worded clearly, and I apologize. I will make an effort in the future to phrase the poll better. However, trying to imply that I deliberately left OS/2 off of the poll for some malicious reason is absurd.


#1 New Poll Up

by FrodoB

Sunday August 15th, 1999 12:44 PM

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The last poll also had an inaccuracy.... There will be no Mac OS 9 (there's some OS9 by another company, and Apple doesn't want trademark issues to come up), so Sonata will be known as OS 8.7. :)

#6 New Poll Up

by Anon

Sunday August 15th, 1999 1:35 PM

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OS/2 is my preferred OS

#7 New Poll Up

by Anon

Sunday August 15th, 1999 2:11 PM

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I'm still using OS/2 myself and am quite happy with it

#9 New Poll Up

by BlueGecko8

Sunday August 15th, 1999 2:17 PM

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Uh, no. Apple has announced at MWNY that the OS released in October will be Mac OS 9. However, because the OS9 company has threatened to sue, Apple is readying a back-up which is identical in features, but with a different name (which could quite possibly be OS 8.7, or maybe even "Sonata"). Read the notes from MWNY for more info.

#2 "what operating system... ?"

by Anon

Sunday August 15th, 1999 12:52 PM

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I am still happily running on OS/2, and plan to continue. I haven't seen anything else I like as well.

#3 "what operating system... ?"

by Anon

Sunday August 15th, 1999 1:14 PM

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I can only agree with that!

#17 OS/2 Still Lives

by Anon

Sunday August 15th, 1999 2:55 PM

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OS/2 definitely should have been included in the list. There are still plenty of people using OS/2, day in and day out.

Long Live OS/2!

#24 OS/2 WILL PREVAIL IN THE END

by Anon

Sunday August 15th, 1999 5:45 PM

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You should always consider OS/2 when you talk about operating systems. Choose the best. OS/2. No question about it.

#19 "what operating system... ?"

by Anon

Sunday August 15th, 1999 3:13 PM

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So where is the box for OS/2??

What kind of an idiot missed this? An obvious glaring omission!

#31 where can i learn mroe about OS/2

by Kaoslord <kaoslord@chaos-productions.com>

Sunday August 15th, 1999 7:42 PM

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ditto...

#47 Visit OS/2 Headquarters -- www.os2hq.com

by Anon

Monday August 16th, 1999 10:13 AM

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Come visit my site at <http://www.os2hq.com/> and learn more about OS/2. Lots of neat stuff there and some funny stuff too.

#48 Visit OS/2 Headquarters -- www.os2hq.com

by Anon

Monday August 16th, 1999 10:13 AM

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Come visit my site at <http://www.os2hq.com/> and learn more about OS/2. Lots of neat stuff there and some funny stuff too.

#4 "what operating system... ?"

by Anon

Sunday August 15th, 1999 1:19 PM

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OS/2 Warp 4 on 10 machines here. Nothing else seems stable enough for our work.

#15 I don't know how I can say this any clearer.

by mozineAdmin

Sunday August 15th, 1999 2:44 PM

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We have already done a poll regarding personal OS choice (the first poll we did, I believe). OS/2 was on that list.

The latest poll was regarding *new revisions* and new platforms. As you may recall, Win95 and Win98 were not on the list, either. Warp 5 isn't happening, from everything I've seen (on IBM's website, from a search for Warp 5 at Altavista, and a look at the teamos2.org website), therefore it was not on the list.

But, like I said, I didn't get the intent of the poll across adequately, apparently, and that's why the poll is no longer up.

There is currently a Mozilla port for OS/2 in active development.

#22 Re: clearer

by Anon

Sunday August 15th, 1999 4:03 PM

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Warp 5 is not only happening, it's shipping. Warp Server for E-Business *is* Warp 5. New kernel, new file system, etc.

If you mean there is no Warp 5 client, well, that's less certain. It won't be coming from IBM, that's certain. However, IBM *is* negotiating with a third party to release a client version of the new kernel, file system, etc. For more details, check out the Voice website for the transcript of an IRC "meeting" where this was discussed. <http://www.os2voice.org>

Took place about a month or two ago, if I recall correctly. Look for the transcript with Brad Wardell of Stardock and Tim Sipples of IBM.

Steve Garcia

#23 How new do we have to get!

by Anon

Sunday August 15th, 1999 5:37 PM

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>The latest poll was regarding *new revisions* and new platforms.

Sorry for beating a dead horse, but OS/2 just got a refresh of 4.61 this month form IBM and teams are working on the open source port.

I'm normaly using OS/2 but have Be, Linux, NT and 95 that I use also.

#27 New revisions of the OS, not the browser (N/T)

by mozineAdmin

Sunday August 15th, 1999 6:35 PM

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#40 I don't know how I can say this any clearer.

by Anon

Sunday August 15th, 1999 10:49 PM

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Ok, well then you obviously didn't search very hard. There are several versions of OS/2 currently in development. Including Warp Server (which just came out with version 5) and Workspace on Demand 2.0 which should be out soon. The fate of the client version of OS/2 isn't for sure yet, but even in light of this fact there *ARE* several versions of OS/2 currently under development and cannot be ignored. So I am sorry to say it, but no matter how confused many of the users are, you are wrong in at least one respect.

Brian Smith <dbsoft@technologist.com>

#46 what operating system... ?

by Anon

Monday August 16th, 1999 10:09 AM

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We specialize in OS/2 desktop connectivity to Novell networks. Warp 4 is alive and well, and we are currently testing (and using daily) NS 4.61b2 for the OS/2 platform.

After a long, grueling weekend at a client who has been forced into using M$ Winblowz, and troubleshooting NT blue screens, etc., it sure was nice at the end of the day to come back home to Warp running Netscape.

#5 "what operating system... ?"

by Anon

Sunday August 15th, 1999 1:20 PM

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OS/2 Warp 4 on 10 machines here. Nothing else seems stable enough for our work.

#8 "what operating system... ?"

by Anon

Sunday August 15th, 1999 2:12 PM

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I'm not really amused by the fact that OS/2 was left out of alternative Os'es to run Mozilla on. So, let it be known : OS/2 is still very much alive and is by far still the very best operating system for the desktop. Just try it out, you'll see!

#12 "what operating system... ?"

by BlueGecko8

Sunday August 15th, 1999 2:29 PM

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I must say, OS/2 is still one of the best OSes I have seen. Its stability is superb, it is easily customizable, and its HPFS (and, from what I've heard, the upcomming JFS) file systems were light years ahead of their time on the desktop market. However, I won't agree that it is the best desktop system ever; I would give that award, with no hesitation whatsoever, to NeXTSTEP/OpenStep.

Its interface is second to none (including the Mac OS), with incredible attention to detail, such as the venerable left-hand scroll bars with jointed buttons, a close button that tells you whether or not you've saved the document, and menus that are free-floating vertically instead of cemented along the top, and which have submenus that can be ripped off and placed anywhere on the screen. While productivity applications at the moment may be a little sparse, they are by no means non-existant (WriteUp is still a very good word processor, for example). Internet conectivity is very good, with a built-in Mail/News client and a superb browser from the folks at Omni. And its remote access features are still unmatched on any operating system I've seen: use rlogin, and then the -NXHost option to run any application with the output on your machine.

OS/2 is a very good OS; but in terms of usability and all-around coolness, NeXTSTEP/OpenStep still gets the crown.

#11 "what operating system... ?"

by Anon

Sunday August 15th, 1999 2:27 PM

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What's this about OS/2 being ignored? So I'm running NS 4.61 on Warp 4 - thus I don't exist??

#13 "what operating system... ?"

by Anon

Sunday August 15th, 1999 2:41 PM

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OS/2 still feels good. So it's in OS/2 that I would use the netbrowser. If no support, I'll find another one.

Koen

#14 "what operating system... ?"

by Anon

Sunday August 15th, 1999 2:43 PM

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OS/2 still feels good. So it's in OS/2 that I would use the netbrowser. If no support, I'll find another one.

#18 "what operating system... ?"

by Anon

Sunday August 15th, 1999 3:08 PM

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ALL MY CLIENTS AND FRIENDS USE OS/2 AFTER SEEING THE DIFFERENCE IN PERFOMANCE AND RELIABILITY FROM RUNNING WINDOWS IN THE PAST ALL OF THEM REFUSE TO LEAVE OS/2

#36 "what operating system... ?"

by Anon

Sunday August 15th, 1999 9:01 PM

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and all your neighbourood and all your sub-continent too I guess... IBM has axed OS/2 Unfortunately..

#20 "what operating system... ?"

by Anon

Sunday August 15th, 1999 3:18 PM

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I also am a long time OS/2 user, and intend to continue to be.....

Mark Lytle, Houston

#26 "what operating system... ?"

by Anon

Sunday August 15th, 1999 6:00 PM

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I too will continue to run OS/2 Warp. Please don't forget us!

#29 "what operating system... ?"

by Anon

Sunday August 15th, 1999 7:18 PM

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I use OS/2 Warp 4 and am actually using other operating systems less and less so I would definitely like to see Mozilla OS/2 compatible.

Phil Butler <Phil@qpdbcom.force9.co.uk>

#30 "what operating system... ?"

by Anon

Sunday August 15th, 1999 7:31 PM

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I would be surprised if there was more support for Be than OS/2. Not just in users, but in the enormous amount of embedded hardware, ATM's and real-time applications.

#10 Using Mozilla 4.61 with OS/2

by Anon

Sunday August 15th, 1999 2:19 PM

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Ver 4.61 with both Warp 3 and Warp 4.

#16 Using Mozilla 4.61 with OS/2

by Anon

Sunday August 15th, 1999 2:51 PM

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Likewise. No intention of changing from OS/2 until something better comes along, and I haven't seen anything nearly close.

#28 Using Mozilla 4.61 with OS/2

by Anon

Sunday August 15th, 1999 7:09 PM

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I agree! Working in a company which supports banks, OS/2 is the only stable AND comfortable choice.

Running 4.61 and Java 1.1.7 gives us a stable and fast plattform to work with.

So support for OS/2 isn't waste of time.

#21 Mozilla-OS2

by Anon

Sunday August 15th, 1999 3:39 PM

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My OS of choice is OS2 Warp4,Hopefully Mozilla will be compatible. <jrapp@warwick.net>

#25 mozilla os/2

by Anon

Sunday August 15th, 1999 5:55 PM

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I use OS/2 and plan to do so as long as it works. Hope your product continues to be compatible with it

#32 OS Survey-OS/2 not listed-why?

by Anon

Sunday August 15th, 1999 7:42 PM

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Was disappointed that you did not list OS/2 in your survey list.

As a business user of this stable OS I am offended that you have fallen into the MS mentality.

Ron Boschelli Computer Help Unlimited

#49 OS Survey-OS/2 not listed-why?

by Anon

Monday August 16th, 1999 10:44 AM

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I too use OS/2 and thought this Mozilla would be available for it.

#33 Pleeeeeeeease

by Anon

Sunday August 15th, 1999 7:49 PM

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OS/2 is not that freaking great. Get over that OS/2 wasn't included.

#34 Hope the next poll includes os/2

by Anon

Sunday August 15th, 1999 8:02 PM

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(Response to Anon - to some people os/2 is 'freaking' great. What's it to you anyway? Why should you care what other people use for an os?)

Ahem, now that I cleared that up, just wanted to pop in and say that I know we'll see future development of mozilla for os/2 so why not include it in a poll listing the operating systems that we run it on? Jeesh, sounds like someone didn't do their homework.

#35 WHAT???? No OS/2??????????

by Anon

Sunday August 15th, 1999 8:17 PM

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Very happy running 4.04 on WARP 4.10 I hope that the lack of OS/2 in your survey was an oversight, not deliberate! <bgibbs@gzinc.com>

#37 my point is

by Anon

Sunday August 15th, 1999 9:11 PM

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my point is this, so it wasn't inlcuded big deal. it's not it was left out on purpose. i don't think there should be a shpeel about it getting left out. the whole point to this to make sure NS5 turns out great not complain that a OS got left out of a poll. but i guess have a apple/linux mentality.

#38 New Poll Up

by SomeSmartAss

Sunday August 15th, 1999 9:17 PM

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The last poll was, by even mozAdmin's admition a list of new and up-coming operating systems. It wasn't an oversight to leave out OS/2. There's nothing new and upcoming about it. Same with Win9x, Win3.1x, MacClassic, Apple ][e, Commidor 64/Vic20/PET (etc)

geeesh, why do OS/2 users get soo uptight. Even IBM is (slowly) backing away from supporting it, stable or or otherwise.

#39 New Poll Up

by Jake <jake@bugzilla.org>

Sunday August 15th, 1999 9:21 PM

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Just out of curiosity... what are the system requirements for OS/2? Where can you get it? How much? Can it be made to load with the NT boot loader? What sort of support is the for video/sound card drivers? I guess that's enough questions for now... :O) If the answers are good enough, I might try it out.

#42 New Poll Up

by Anon

Monday August 16th, 1999 2:32 AM

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System requirements for OS/2: the same as for Win95. Where can you get it: from IBM itself, from Indelible Blue (<http://www.indelible-blue.com>) and lots of other places. How much? Full Warp 4 license: $228, upgrade from Warp 3 if you have that lying around: $165, if you're a student $85. You can find all the latest drivers (including video/sound card) at IBM's OS/2 Device Driver Repository (<http://service.software.i…m/os2ddpak/html/index.htm>). You cannot run Win32 software on it (yet), but the big advantage is that it multitasks brilliantly and won't crash on you like Win9x does.

Regards, <johan@datatestlab.com>

#41 _New_ OS revisions???

by Anon

Monday August 16th, 1999 2:03 AM

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"The poll was meant to gauge expectations for new OS revisions". This is fair enough, but how come FreeBSD was on the list? No new version is due out anytime soon...

#43 OS/2 Server SMP released 2 months ago

by Anon

Monday August 16th, 1999 7:55 AM

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I don't think IBM is "backing away" from OS/2. OS/2 is doing very well in the financial market and for vertical apps. In fact they released Warp Server for e-Business SMP TWO MONTHS AGO.

(This new version comes with JFS *journaling* file system ported from AIX unix, something that *cough*linux*cough* is lacking badly)

So, come out of your (linux) shell, and do some research.

I thought Eric Raymond said it enough times... "OPEN SOURCE is not Linux, it is much more than it".

I guess some people still dont learn...

Just my $0.02

#44 OS/2 Server SMP released 2 months ago

by Anon

Monday August 16th, 1999 8:04 AM

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"I thought Eric Raymond said it enough times... "OPEN SOURCE is not Linux, it is much more than it"."

Um, maybe I'm missing something, but I don't get your point. OS/2 isn't OSS. So what's the quote mean? To use *BSD? (Which, people, is still more stable and robust than Linux for server apps, not to mention faster as the number of connections increases.)

Also, BTW, Linux is getting a journaling file system (SGI's XFS). Maybe you need to do some of your own reading.

#51 You want research....

by SomeSmartAss

Monday August 16th, 1999 11:42 AM

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o.k. Granted its only from ZDNET, but this only took a couple of seconds.

<http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn…ay/0,4436,2145258,00.html>

to paraphrase the article

<<... IBM has drawn up a strategic blueprint [outlined in a 12-page internal document] ... the blueprint calls for IBM to pump up Netscape's desktop business, head off Microsoft's Web browser and aggressively push OS/2 Warp customers onto other platforms. >>

<< The IBM document, dated July 30, was posted briefly on an independent OS/2 Web site last week. >>

<<... confirms that IBM will continue cutting OS/2 R&D. "Eventually, customers will have to move to another platform or accept a lower level of function if they stay on OS/2," >>

#45 dear god

by Anon

Monday August 16th, 1999 8:59 AM

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I like to follow this site, since Mozilla is a very interesting project, and there is generally a lot of great news. But if there was as much effort put into Mozilla as there is into the polls, it would have shipped months ago.

Please, people...it's a perl script asking simple questions. Nothing more. Do something constructive with your time. I see several interesting articles with 0-5 responses, which actually could affect the project. At this point, there are 45 responses to a news posting about a new poll, most of which are people proclaiming that they use OS/2. Could someone enlighten me as to what the big deal is?

#50 No Warp-eBusiness Client? So What?

by Anon

Monday August 16th, 1999 11:20 AM

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Much as I want to see a client version of OS/2 Warp for e-Business (aka Warp5), I'm happily running Warp4 *NOW* and expect to do so for the forseeable future.

Hence, omitting OS/2 from your list of os'es on which one intends to run Mozilla, whether intentional or oversight, seems (at least to this biased observer) to be a correctible error. Just re-issue the poll, this time including a system *in the field* and *actively supported by its maker* that'll be more than capable of running Mozilla when it's released.

After all, Windows2000 won't be available until the second quarter of 1901... ;-)

#52 What is the purpose of this poll ?

by Anon

Tuesday August 17th, 1999 7:06 AM

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It is not clear to me for what reasons this poll is conducted. If it is for the future development of Mozilla then it should include ALL OS. If you want to know what people expect to use as an OS in the future then you should leave a blank space that could be filled in by the people, is'n it ?

As I am concerned, I have a machine running CPM since 1980, an other with Caldera DRDOS 7.02 and two running OS/2 Warp 3 since 1994 and all of them are Y2K compliant.

As long as these machines do their job properly, I have no intent or expectations for a change.

The bigger and faster "hype" is not for me. I prefer and expect small, practical and bug free operations from my units.

"Small is beautiful."

#53 Well said

by Anon

Tuesday August 17th, 1999 9:37 AM

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While I don't have my Commodore or my 286 anymore, what you said was well said. :)