Help Petition MS to Support Standards

Thursday August 12th, 1999

Eric Krock writes, "The Web Standards Project has launched a petition drive to pressure Microsoft to support HTML 4.0, CSS1, DOM1, and XML in IE. Read the press releases here and here.

... then sign your name to the petition by sending an email from this page."

With Microsoft's posturing regarding messaging standards recently, you might have forgotten that Internet Explorer is not yet standards compliant. Microsoft, in fact, has yet to commit to full standards compliance.

It took the WSP nine months, but they seem to have finally gotten around to petitioning Microsoft on this issue (as you may recall, they petitioned last year).

Now if they could only petition the W3C to revamp their faulty standards process. The W3C could start by creating a certification process for browsers. A standard isn't a standard if there isn't some body enforcing the standard and giving its certification. Would you buy a bike helmet that wasn't approved by a standards body? A car with seatbelts that didn't meet safety standards? A TV that wasn't certifiably able to interpret the signal coming into it?

The W3C could then follow up by creating a verifiable implementation of the standard themselves, instead of forcing the browser makers to spend countless hours and dollars working through vagaries and inconsistencies in the "finalized" spec. (I have seen indication of this at times in the mozilla forums - I'd love it if a developer would speak up and give us a concrete example or two). Seeing as there is no longer a browser "market" - other than the incidental revenues browsers can draw in from portal sites - it seems silly to force browser makers to shoulder the burden of winnowing the standards specifications.

What do you think? Is it time for more fundamental changes in the web standards process? Let us know what you think in the talkback forum.

#13 Help Petition MS to Support Standards

by zontar

Friday August 13th, 1999 6:40 PM

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I don't mean to condemn people who choose not to register as MozillaZine members merely because they haven't done do, far from it, so please allow me to qualify that last statement: I grow weary of people who seem to visit this site regularly and leave nothing in their wake but criticism of the Mozilla effort, the efforts of those who support it, and of Mozilla's current or potential allies.

The fact of the matter is that we can have an open Web, or we can have remade in the image of Microsoft. Microsoft even tries to change the vocabulary with which people discuss the Web to suit itself, and is largely succeeding. I am heartily sick of it. Every day I deal with people who think every programming language ought to be coded as if it were VB.

We can either strive to have some kind of open standards, or we can roll over and allow the Microsoft Way dominate our thinking. In my view, nearly anything is preferable to the latter.

And I have about run out of patience for those who would rather quibble than to address this, the real problem.