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Jeremy Allaire on the Death of Mozilla

Saturday July 31st, 1999

Tony Gorman has news of some interesting statements from Allaire Corporation's Jeremy Allaire. Tony writes:

"Jeremy Allaire of ColdFusion fame has gone on record saying that ColdFusion no longer supports the Netscape browser. In this month's issue of the UK Internet magazine 'Webspace', JA states that 'Netscape is dead and so is the Mozilla project'. Tough words for fans of the Netscape browser. He goes on to argue that widespread of DHTML has been held back by Netscape's idiosyncratic implementation and only Microsoft offers a useful platform...

I would love to write this guy off... but Allaire isn't exactly a no hope company. Should his words be left to stand? I hope not."

Webspace apparently doesn't have a website, so I can't confirm this. However, if it is true, Jeremy's statements show an appalling lack of understanding of the status of DHTML at this point in time. IE's DHTML isn't standards compliant (neither is Communicator 4.6's DHTML) and thus any judgement regarding it must be tempered by the fact that much of the "usefulness" is probably derived from MS proprietary extensions that no other browser maker should feel obligated to duplicate. Maybe some of you more knowledgable people out there could give some background on how IE's current DOM implementation is lacking in terms of standards compliance.

UPDATE:Jeremy Allaire has a response in our forums, so be sure to check it out. Thanks Jeremy!


#24 My quote

by Anon

Sunday August 1st, 1999 2:17 PM

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Hello All-

Yes, these were remarks which I made, and yes they were made off the cuff. This was published in an interview -- probably because it was such a juicy quote. I believe I was asked about the future of Netscape and Mozilla, and I probably started with something like that.

A few follow-on comments just to clarify things. I believe that that interview was the same week that Jamie Zawinski resigned from Mozilla.org, and my own contacts at Netscape were saying that people were leaving the company like crazy, and that AOL was not committed to future development on the browser.

My comments have more to do with Netscape than with the Mozilla project, which obviously has a lot of promise.

On a related note, this comment says nothing about Allaire or Allaire's committment to working with Mozilla in our proudcts. In fact, HomeSite now uses Gecko as an internal browsing engine for previewing content, and we are hopeful that the editing working group makes enough progress with their editing control, built on NGLayout, so that we can use it for semi-WYSIWYG design.

Even further, the visual tools team at Allaire is extremely excited about Mozilla and it is their expectation that they will over time become contributors to the project, based on work we do in HomeSite.

With regards to quality of implementation, etc., I will be frank in saying that we worked extensively with both NS 4.x and IE 4.x and found the IE4 DOM dramatically more stable to build on top of. This is purely a technical question, and one I'm fairly comfortable supporting.

Regards, Jeremy Allaire