Lovely! I don't care! The more you put into it the better the final product will be and the more people will flock to it. Go for it.

News to me.

I was under the impression that Beta 1 would be in early july.

Isn't M6 supposed to be released today?

Also, has anyone had trouble registering the npmozctl.dll in the latest builds from Mozilla???

I'm having that problem too. My computer crashes after closing apprunner on any build or milestone from about the past three weeks or so. When it crashes, it seems to return a problem registering a .dll, so I assume it's the same problem you're describing.

The XPFE group has scheduled stuff up to M12: http://www.mozilla.org/xpfe/xptoolkit.PDF

Tommy,

I'm talking about registering the npmozctl control via the regsvr32 command.

I get a LoadLibrary ???485 error, which i never got before. The M5 release works fine, of course, it's just the nightly builds as of late that I'm having problems with.

The crash you're getting is probably originating from raptor???.dll... just a guess.

Thanks, though, for replying.

So now when is the Communicator 5 beta scheduled to be released? Late-early August?

I think people are giving too much importance to the milestone issue as if it was a holy grail. Milestones are just planning targets. So who cares about the number? As a matter of fact there are set milestones all the way up to M16 tentatively scheduled for 12/14/99. The developers at one moment or another will call BETA after reaching a particular milestone that is stable enough (maybe M11-12). Check Milestone listing at http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/milestones/index.html

BTW, I think tree was reopened because M7 builds are appearing in today's daily fetchbuilds, that means M6 should be released anytime soon (there are still 12 bugs listed on M6 .. two of them release Blockers. Check http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/

anyone who puts any stock in the "number of milestones until beta" theory is going to be disappointed. There is no magic milestone number that means beta.

how about alpha darn it! When do we hear the end of "pre-alpha"?

There are five bugs left on the milestone 6 bug list. The "My netscape does not layout properly" bug seems to be resolved or very close to resolution. I don't know about any one else but the My Netscape bug has been the only thing keeping me from using seamonkey fulltime.

Well, Java and security would be pluses for fulltime. However, almost fulltime I could do, probably with M6. These latest versions of M6 have been good, real good.

Milestones have very little to do with Netscape Communicator. Just think of them as forks in the road. Netscape will take one of the milestone builds and turn it into navigator and mozilla will continue to be worked on.

"Netscape will take one of the milestone builds and turn it into navigator and mozilla will continue to be worked on."

True, but at some point, there must be a release of Mozilla 1.0 that is a stable standard production release. There should also be a 0.x release or two, denoting a true Alpha, or Beta release, that doesn't threaten to blow up your hard drive, as does the disclaimer with the nightly builds. these releases will undoubtably be tied in with a Milestone release, and since Netscape, at least for the time being, is so tightly integrated with Mozilla (at least in a "coders on the payroll" sense) I'm betting even money that these self same releases will also be used for the Communicator 5.0a, 5.0b and 5.0 final releases.

I downloaded the 2705-M6 build and registered the control with no problems onto a fresh machine.

Did you update your PATH settings from previous installs?

Try deleting mozregistry.dat in C:\windows directory. Old Builds leave stuff behind there which new build don't like. The file will be recreated by Mozilla.

Hi Adam,

Yes, the path was set.

I will download the 2705-M6 build and give it a go.

Thanks much for the info...

where did u get the M6? I canÄ't find it on mozilla.org

Phil

It's not the 'official' M6 release... just the latest:

Download the Win32 version here:

ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/latest/mozilla-win32.zip

Or, visit the FTP site here:

ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/

Hey Adam,

Couldn't find a 2705 build as of 6:30am PST.

I downloaded the 2605 build and had the same problem:

LoadLibrary Failed (0x000485)

So neither the 2505 nor the 2605 builds have worked. If I nuke the \bin directory tree and reinstall the M5 release then npmozctl.dll will register just fine.

I'll keep my eye out for the 2705 build.

A little off topic, but has Adam Lock, or anyone else, considered puting the new Necko Component into an Active-X too? I've used the network controls that ship with VB a bit as well as a few other freeware ones, and they're all pretty abismal (I know... using VB to start with is considered abismal by most). If you could get all the required Protocols, handled properly, in one open source active-X, that would be another huge benifit to third party developers. I'm especially keen on having FTP and Telnet Clients that can not only handle Proxy Servers, but Autosocks severs too (have the option of both at work, but one is usuually slower than the other, or down; and it flip-flops during the day... Netscape's the only thing on my system that not only recognises both protocols, but can quickly flip from one to the other)

I suppose the problem is that you have incorrect version of Microsoft Visual C++ run-time DLL, as require by npmozctl.dll. And I believe Adam Lock has an explanation about this. Just see his site on Mozilla ActiveX Control http://www.iol.ie/~locka/mozilla/mozilla.htm

ariya,

Unfortunately, that is not what the problem is...

Thanks for the suggestion, though.

Here's a utility that I have found very useful in troubleshooting Win9x registration issues. It'll tell you which dependency is at fault.

http://stevemiller.net/depends.html

Thanks eMonk... I'll check it out.

Thanks to eMonk's post I discovered the problem... and Ariya, you were right:

The latest builds of Mozilla require msvcp60.dll which isn't part of the runtime.zip package that's distributed on Adam's site.

I'll email Adam to let him know.

Thanks again.

Hi,

I am a german student and I just started with programming. So I am not a good help for now, but I have some suggestions for features that might be helpfull for the enduser of Navigator/Mozila whatever. Where should I post them?

Thax

Phil

go to www.mozilla.org, click on community, and find the newsgroup there that most closely fits your suggestion. For User Interface suggestions (UI), news.mozilla.org.ui or whatever.

Regarding msvcp60.dll.

It appears that mozilla have upgraded their build machine to DevStudio 6. This means that you need a new set of runtimes in order to use the control. I have updated my web page so they can be downloaded from there

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