MozillaZine

MozillaZine's ChromeZone Now Open!

Monday May 24th, 1999

Steve Morrison, creator of the XULTool, has joined MozillaZine (as some of you may already know). He has been hard at work getting the XULTool working on our site, and we're pleased to announce that the ChromeZone is now online.

Now, with a simple form, you can change the look and feel of Mozilla, and create your own themes! You can also choose from some ready-made themes we have available. You can also send your own themes to ChromeZone for addition to our site.

So, fire up apprunner and head over to the chromeZone.

We got a lot of great entries for our little "name our new chrome area" contest, but in our final vote, "ChromeZone" came out on top. A number of people submitted the name "ChromeZone" or a variation for our contest. Clayton Scott was the first, however, and his prize is a stuffed Mozilla doll from Netscape. I know we didn't promise any prizes for the contest, but we wanted to give something to the winner.

Thanks to everyone for you contributions, and if you have any suggestions for the chromeZone, let us know.


#347 Re:MozillaZine's ChromeZone Now Open!

by Bruce

Tuesday June 8th, 1999 9:24 AM

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arielb,

Don't sweat it... not at all. :)

"From the standpoint of look and feel, a native UI on Windows comes from Microsoft. Therefore, the open file dialogs are native controls. "

That's not true. Don't confuse a native UI with 'standard controls'. That button I sent you wasn't a standard control and it wasn't from Microsoft, but it was native. Many Win32 apps use non-MS UI components but they are still native.

"The links clearly prove that there is a healthy skins community in the windows world."

I meant that skinnable UI's were much more common in linux... even some of the OS shells are skinnable. The point being that 'skinnable' is not mainstream in the windows market. Set aside ICQ/WinAmp which are freeware/shareware... you'll be hard pressed to find any major win32 application that boasts a 'skinnable' UI: MS Office, Lotus SmartSuite, Corel WP Suite 8.0, Borland Delphi, Dreamweaver, Flash, Norton Utilities, PaintShop Pro, WinZip, MathCAD, AutoCAD, Fireworks, Flash, FTP Voyager, GetRight, Visual Cafe, Quicken, MS Money, ad infinitum... just to name a *few* off of the top of my head. When you compare the two types of UI's in the Windows market. Skinnables are practically non-existent compared to native UI's. There is a reason for this... it's basically a marketing issue... and nothing more.

You're also forgetting the XML wrapper that users didn't care for when compared to the native IE wrapper. They didn't think the XML UI was bad in and of itself... they simply *preferred* the native UI. And Mozilla needs to do this for it's Win32 version if it wants to retake market lead.

"I never said that you felt Opera was a failure."

Yes, you are correct. And I apologize for misreading that... I don't know how I did.

"If you copy Netscape 4.x's UI to the letter then you will copy the bad along with the good."

The whole point of what I'm doing is that of making a pure replica of the NS4 browser. I'm not trying to improve it... or change it... but duplicate it perfectly. I'm just doing it for fun... not for money... and part of the fun is the challenge of precisley mimicing NS4. Does that make better sense now? If I were to change it at all... then it wouldn't be a clone of NS4... would it? ;-)

"Anyway I'm not trying to attack you. All I want is to get a precise sense of "good look and feel". It's difficult but the more examples you can give the easier it is for other people to fix these problems."

I know you're not trying to attack me... I basically misread parts of what you were saying... it's 8:17am right now and I should have gone to bed 7 hours ago!! hehe! :)