MozillaZine

MozillaZine's ChromeZone Now Open!

Monday May 24th, 1999

Steve Morrison, creator of the XULTool, has joined MozillaZine (as some of you may already know). He has been hard at work getting the XULTool working on our site, and we're pleased to announce that the ChromeZone is now online.

Now, with a simple form, you can change the look and feel of Mozilla, and create your own themes! You can also choose from some ready-made themes we have available. You can also send your own themes to ChromeZone for addition to our site.

So, fire up apprunner and head over to the chromeZone.

We got a lot of great entries for our little "name our new chrome area" contest, but in our final vote, "ChromeZone" came out on top. A number of people submitted the name "ChromeZone" or a variation for our contest. Clayton Scott was the first, however, and his prize is a stuffed Mozilla doll from Netscape. I know we didn't promise any prizes for the contest, but we wanted to give something to the winner.

Thanks to everyone for you contributions, and if you have any suggestions for the chromeZone, let us know.


#211 Re:MozillaZine's ChromeZone Now Open!

by pete collins <pete@postpagan.com>

Saturday May 29th, 1999 11:56 AM

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Gecko's TreeControl is an attempt to standardize a non-standard widget. Did they submit it to the W3C? Their whole use of RDF and the XP widgets is non-standard (that is, hasn't been submitted to a standards body)

I think it is XUL currently a recommendation. It is a new innovative technology being developed as we speak based entirely on existing standards.

Gecko only applications and websites will be just as terrible as IE only websites. This whole XP widget/XUL/RDF thing is going to encourage, in the worst case, web sites being Gecko only.

It will make it easier for web developers like us to write cross platform apps than it is right now. This is a far better alternative than writing a web app in native code, porting it to all other platforms, debugging it and then releasing it for public use rapidly and cost effectively(impossible). Netscape has already don this for us. Now we are not limited to building entire apps in a web page. I personally am moist with anticipation :-)

For all these years, we've been trying to get browsers to standardize on HTML4.0, XML, CSS, ECMAScript, and DOM. Now we have Gecko introducing extra non-standard UI ability that web pages authors *will* take advantage of.

Funny, xul IS html4 an application of xml that uses css for layout and ECMAScript in a DOM based AOM(application object model) that uses gifs and jpgs to create your very own widget - what part of "standard" are we missing??

I think non-standard extension language/protocol extensions that make the client non-interchangeable suck, whether they are open-source or not.

???? The client is entirely interchangeable. You now can code your own UI with XUL.

Plus, Gecko XP widgets look weird on other OS's like the Mac, or CDE/Motif. They don't have the native look, or keyboard policy of the platform they are running on.

In my opinion there currently is no cross platform "native look". The web being a combination of multiple platforms, in multiple environments using multiple protocols is a far cry from having any such "native look". Web browses are the main front end to this type of environment. XUL lets you write whatever UI you want. That's the beauty of it. This is the goal that is trying to be accomplished.

Pete Collins