The XSL Challenge

Friday May 21st, 1999

C. David Tallman has news of an interesting article at In it, Michael Leventhal of CITEC (the group creating DocZilla) takes off the gloves and challenges XSL to best XML/CSS/DOM in a competition of functionality/usability in the web application space. Interestingly, Mozilla plays an important role in the contest. From

"Anything XSL can do in the Web environment, I can do better using technologies supported by current W3C Recommendations. Of course, what is 'meaningful' in the Web environment is open to a variety of interpretations. Therefore, the subject of the challenge should be one that the XSL camp and I agree is meaningful. I am also ready to make this bet a little bit more than an academic exercise. If I lose, I will pledge that I, and my crack mozilla development team, will assist in implementing XSL in the mozilla open source project. If my opponents lose they will agree to desist from XSL advocacy, vote against an XSL Recommendation if they are members of the W3C, and will join me in calling for full, flawless, and unequivocal vendor support of CSS1 and CSS2, DOM Level 1, and XML 1.0 as the very first and top priority of the web community."

#37 Re:The XSL Challenge

by Heikki Toivonen <>

Wednesday May 26th, 1999 2:02 AM

You are replying to this message

>How can something which is not used BY ANYONE, and not supported by any browser that ordinary users have, set the web back?

Microsoft for one has invested a great deal in advocating and implementing XSL. Wouldn't you agree that if they had used all those resources to implement proper CSS and DOM we would have superior implementations of CSS and DOM in IE already?

And consider all those people converting their XML to HTML to get it to display in the crappy browsers we have now.

And still, consider all the web designers and their pain in designing web pages when they have to test their pages with every possible browser out there to see that it works in each and every one. And finally decide they cannot use CSS at all and must stick with plain old HTML without CSS. I am sure if you bought mozineAdmin a beer he would be telling you about the problems he's faced 'till the next millenium ;)