I knew I should've used my real name.

The company I work for use IE 4.X and FP as WEB editor and supported. Everypages are crated using FP with Wacky codes that even different version of IE can't display them.

Me and other rebels in my depertment use NN or NC. I created some webpages using a real HTML editor, codes are clan and validated with w3c. The person who take care of the webspace use FP open them and put garbage code in there like <nobr> or   everywhere.

What am i talking about here?

It makes a good point. We shouldn't be relying on a browser, but the standards behind the browser. The browser that best supports the standards currently out there should be used. Right now, I'd give IE the edge over Netscape. That will change, but end users should use what works best for them as long as there are some minimal requirements established.

I think the main reason for not standardizing on a browser is the content. As more corporations move their content or make it available to a wider range of audiences such as extranets or public websites, the pressure to create standards compliant content will increase. Developers or publishers should not have to rewrite HTML pages or server side systems to support a myriad of user agent configurations and proprietary features. That kind of thinking raises costs, not reduce them.

here IS peoples are try to standardlize the browser because they think it'll save company time and money to make internal webpages they do have to fight with cross browser codes, if all the employees use one browser. They simply choose IE because it comes bundle with windows. (Engnieers are not as smart as you think when they comes to installing software on their desktop.) Our CEO's or whoever think that if we use IE just install the Windows98 and Office 97 and some other application they are set. If they use NN or NC or other browser, they have to install application above + NN or NC and support them.

We are using both browser on our systems, because there are some companies out there, that create IE only websites. But most of the people working for me us NN / NC. I think, as long as there is a frewdom of choice it is fine. And I choose NN, because I am afraid of the Microsoft Monopoly, and because Microsoft Software is not very good. It is just a fact, that a Company that has a monopoly does not care about its Products.

I hope that Gecko is so good, fast and small, that I can use it with my cell fone in a year or so.

Cause this is something, a 60MB+ IE can't do.

take care

Phil (Germany)

ABB worldwide (lot more than 100.000 desktops) has standardized on IE. I have fought this, banging my head repeatedly in the wall to no avail. I am not allowed to use Netscape. They produce intranets that only work with IE. :-(

The problem is that Windows 98/2000 and most new applications from Microsoft require IE. How can any company that uses current MS products expect to "standardize" on having just one browser unless it is Microsoft's web browser?

Of course, with Mozilla's new componentized structure, perhaps someone will "integrate" it in to some business application that they can't do without. I really hate to suggest fighting dirty like Microsoft, but it may be necessary.

Yes, Office 2000 and the rest use IE exclusively I believe, I haven't used them but knowing MS's strategies, there will *not* be an option to switch your default browsing engine to some other app.

And Office et al are used by a hell of a lot of companies, institutions, etc. And these companies will be forced to switch to IE because of their WordProcessors! The whole question of shipping IE with the OS becomes moot, because it'll just sneak in with Office.

-=Yusuf=-, incoherently babbling.

they also left out what i feel is the most important reason to not standardize on one browser. Sure, your intranet will use all the features of that one browser. Then you realize you want to open to the whole world and you're stuck. So please write for all browsers so you won't be stuck in the future

I hear proxy support i scompletely broken in IE5 ? Doesn't that impact corporate usage ?

During the last few years Windows programming has really gone to hell. You can find e-mail checkers that are 2 Mb zip-files and other software that requires IE to send registration data or to view on web page.

The rule of thumb is to never use any components whose size is a lot bigger than the function it does in your code. The second rule is to not build your sw to require other software as long as it is possible.

Yusuf, don't say things like that, your "incoherently babbling" about MS's IE strategies is giving me nightmares. It's depressing.

Bill Gates deserves death by a thousand wedgies.

narbey

If you think about it, the browser war is over, simply, because versions of Mozilla are going to swamp the Internet. You'll be lucky if you don't have people putting out browsers by beta time. Once this is over, all Netscape will have is those that prefer to stick with the name Netscape. Consider XUL into it, it changes everything.

In my university, they where using Netscape, they are now using IE. They had problems with NC and as IE is given with the OS.