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Will Navigator Get Its Own Dialup Service?

Wednesday May 19th, 1999

Joel Caris has this news:

"An interesting News.com article that talks about, among other things, possible plans to set up a Netscape Internet access service hooked into Navigator (although they already have something along those lines in place through Qwest.)

I also found interesting the fact that My Netscape is the most popular personal page service, with 55 million daily page views. I think I know why that is (open channel system.)"


#1 Re:Will Navigator Get Its Own Dialup Service?

by arielb

Wednesday May 19th, 1999 7:01 PM

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yeah! I love My Netscape. I'm sure with Netscape 5, there will be new capabilities to make it even better

#2 Re:Will Navigator Get Its Own Dialup Service?

by Kovu <Kovu401@netscape.net>

Wednesday May 19th, 1999 8:07 PM

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If they do it I am there. I saw a Netcenter commercial on TV and I really liked it. They already give you 11 MB free webspace (go to Netcenter click Home Pages). They're only steps away from being one now, and built upon their image, they'll go REAL far. I'll be running this on the NG Amiga <http://www.amiga.com/diary/executive-e.html> by year's end.

#3 Re:Will Navigator Get Its Own Dialup Service?

by Kovu <Kovu401@netscape.net>

Wednesday May 19th, 1999 8:08 PM

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Built upon their image on top of Mozilla, I should say.

#4 Re:Will Navigator Get Its Own Dialup Service?

by Ryuzi Kambe <kambe@po.across.or.jp>

Wednesday May 19th, 1999 11:21 PM

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Japanese can't reseive sufficient Netcanter Servise (Because my netscape isn't Localize as Communicator). Of course,I have never seen Netscape TV CM at all in Japan. Maybe in other country. It should be International.

#5 Re:Will Navigator Get Its Own Dialup Service?

by stephan <stephan@micropop.com>

Thursday May 20th, 1999 8:41 AM

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And what exactly does "Hooked into Navigator" mean? (How?)

#6 Re:Will Navigator Get Its Own Dialup Service?

by SomeSmartAss <improv@magma.ca>

Thursday May 20th, 1999 8:52 AM

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"by adding connectivity directly into the Navigator browser"

I just hope they offer an easy way to say "No Thanks. I'll use my current ISP"

I guess that also means I'll be getting "Connect To Netcenter" CD's in the mail, along with the "Connect To AOL" CD's I get every other month... (yay! more coasters)

#7 Re:Will Navigator Get Its Own Dialup Service?

by Dan Rosen

Thursday May 20th, 1999 10:21 AM

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I like the open channel system as much as the next guy -- it's a great system. But don't believe any sort of hype about it being the primary cause of My Netscape's success. A huge chunk of those 55 million daily hits come from people who aren't quite knowledgeable (or are too lazy) to change their default home page in the Preferences dialog. This may be unimaginable stupidity to some MozillaZine readers, but it is true. The past Netscape releases have had large user interface issues trying to make simple the daunting task of configuring a huge browser, and have been mostly but not entirely successful, so a lot of people either "never get around to" or "never figure out how to" set their home page. Hence <http://www.netscape.com> gets tons and tons of hits.

#8 Re:Will Navigator Get Its Own Dialup Service?

by Mike Crist

Thursday May 20th, 1999 11:42 AM

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To Dan Rosen,

They said "My Netscape" gets 55 million page views/day, not the Netcenter home page (home.netscape.com, <http://www.netscape.com>). "My Netscape" is at my.netscape.com and this isn't the default homepage for Communicator, Netcenter is.

#9 Not really, Dan

by -=Yusuf=- <ssym@hippo.ru.ac.za>

Thursday May 20th, 1999 11:43 AM

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Dan:

The people using Netscape will be those who downloaded it ... assuming of course that the majority of people don't receive Netscape as a gift CD or something.

And the people who are curious enough to download and install should be tech-savvy (urgh, I hate that phrase, but it fits here) enough to change their homepage.

Your theory doesn't seem to stand up to scrutiny.

-=Yusuf=-, carefully dissecting Dan's theory with a chainsaw and claw hammer.

PS Actually I don't know if NS send out CDs. They don't send them to me. That could be because I live on the African continent....

#10 Re:Will Navigator Get Its Own Dialup Service?

by Kovu <Kovu401@netscape.net>

Thursday May 20th, 1999 2:26 PM

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can you picture the My Netscape page soaring once Netscape can dynamically refresh page content, integrated with the flash panel idea? wow.

#11 Re:Will Navigator Get Its Own Dialup Service?

by yak

Thursday May 20th, 1999 3:45 PM

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my netscape is good if the RDF owner update the links regularly!

#12 Re:Will Navigator Get Its Own Dialup Service?

by Stephen Donner <donners@concentric.net>

Thursday May 20th, 1999 6:27 PM

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Netscape already has it's own ISP...Netscape Netcenter Online (partnered with Qwest.)

Has everyone forgotten this?

Stephen

#13 Re:Will Navigator Get Its Own Dialup Service?

by Kovu <Kovu401@netscape.net>

Thursday May 20th, 1999 6:54 PM

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Yes, I had it. They couldn't support v90 in Indianapolis. (Plus AT&T gives 6 e-mails and 30MB space for the same price as AOL 5 and 10MB, I couldn't resist).

And they haven't integratede the browser with anything, just have a Netcenter clone with Qwest label and info links. Everything else was the same. No new netscape nothing, just Qwest links.

If AOL wants to deal with Qwest, who knows. With AOL's money and clout, I see Netcenter going far as an ISP. I think Netcenter already has 17 million members, (albeit free members).

#14 Re:Will Navigator Get Its Own Dialup Service?

by Kovu <Kovu401@netscape.net>

Thursday May 20th, 1999 7:00 PM

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BTW, AOL 5.0 comes out in September. I wonder if it will have Netscape/Mozilla. If it does, Netscape gets back to a 70+ percent market share again.

#15 Re:Will Navigator Get Its Own Dialup Service?

by Kovu <Kovu401@netscape.net>

Thursday May 20th, 1999 7:38 PM

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AOL should just buy Qwest, solve all their problems.

#16 Re:Will Navigator Get Its Own Dialup Service?

by Daniel Hill <danielhill@mindless.com>

Thursday May 20th, 1999 8:27 PM

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MyNetscape is rubbish if you're outside America. Typical of America Online, it's all American news, sports, weather. Nothing for any other countries.

#17 Re:Will Navigator Get Its Own Dialup Service?

by Brady B <joeboxer26@netscape.net>

Friday May 21st, 1999 5:04 AM

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Daniel,

No one asks you to use My Netscape. And BTW My Netscape was here quite sometime before America Online bought out Netscape.

#18 Re:Will Navigator Get Its Own Dialup Service?

by A.C.

Friday May 21st, 1999 8:41 AM

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Way back in Netscape 3 days, I used to have a my.netscape page for a while. I was lured over to my.yahoo, though. I don't want to disparage my.netscape (as I haven't seen it for years), but I really think my.yahoo is top notch, they have been constantly improving it. Netscape's open channel (I'm assuming that's what the little mini-content boxes are called) system, though, is a great contribution, and *many* other sites use it (including Slashdot). I don't think my.yahoo has an open channel system. Hey, if I can get MozillaZine and Slashdot on my.netscape maybe I'll switch...

#19 Re:Will Navigator Get Its Own Dialup Service?

by Kovu <Kovu401@netscape.net>

Friday May 21st, 1999 10:28 AM

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Mozzilazine indeed has a My Netscape channel, and it's updated consistently. Slashdot, anyone know?

#20 Re:Will Navigator Get Its Own Dialup Service?

by SomeSmartAss <improv@magma.ca>

Friday May 21st, 1999 12:11 PM

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Yep, Slashdot's there.... and Themes.org and quite a load of others. <http://dmoz.org/Computers…nter/My_Netscape_Network/> is a directory listing of all(?) current My Netscape Channels.

#21 Re:Will Navigator Get Its Own Dialup Service?

by Kovu <Kovu401@netscape.net>

Friday May 21st, 1999 1:58 PM

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Maybe for 5.0 they'll even figure out whether the Location field is the Netsite field or the Location field. I have 4.6 128 bit, and it's Netsite, and my sister has 4.6 56 bit, and it's Location. HELLO NETSCAPE! I'm editing a Dummies book now that includes a chapter on Communicator and I have to put Location/Netsite bar on everything because they STILL haven't figured out which one to use! Does it make sense to anybody else? How else is the 128 bit different? Will they decide for 5.0 I hope? (I like Netsite over Location, personally).

#22 Re:Will Navigator Get Its Own Dialup Service?

by jawbone <jlp@ematic.com>

Friday May 21st, 1999 2:13 PM

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Actually, I have 4.6 128-bit, and it says Location. Strange.

#23 Re:Will Navigator Get Its Own Dialup Service?

by JCaris <joel_caris@iname.com>

Friday May 21st, 1999 3:55 PM

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Stephen,

I alluded to the Qwest service in my description. I actually tried to use that, but had trouble setting it up and ended up with a different service which I do not have to pay for, so I have never tried it again.

I think this article is talking about a whole other service. Maybe it would be through Qwest, maybe not. But I imagine it would be much more integrated into the browser and would probably focus more on giving you content through Netcenter, etc. A stronger push, essentially.

Anyway, it sounds interesting. I'll be keeping my eyes open for developments. In the mean time, still waiting for 5.0.

Joel Caris

#24 Re:Will Navigator Get Its Own Dialup Service?

by Stromgol

Friday May 21st, 1999 5:25 PM

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Kovu: I can be wrong, but I think that the word "location" changes to "Netsite" when your on a netscape-related site (like home.netscape.com)

#25 Re:Will Navigator Get Its Own Dialup Service?

by FrodoB

Friday May 21st, 1999 5:27 PM

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It's actually "Netsite" when on a Netscape server (not necessarily Netscape's site).

#26 Re:Will Navigator Get Its Own Dialup Service?

by Kovu <Kovu401@netscape.net>

Saturday May 22nd, 1999 8:25 AM

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Yes, okay, that makes sense now. Damn, they need a tutorial for Netscape! The personal toolbar alone is unbenknownst to many but one of the most useful aspects of Netscape. collapsing the toolbars, Ctrl+Alt+S (and Ctrl+Alt+S again) or the Alt+right arrow or Alt + left arrow combos for back and forward, all sorts of wacky things that are way too hard to find.

#27 Re:Will Navigator Get Its Own Dialup Service?

by reluv

Saturday May 22nd, 1999 10:26 AM

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Go "SomeSmartAss"! As long as we have a simple way to say: "No thanks, I'll use my own ISP".

Besides, Netscape needs to concentrate also on other thing: link *integrating* foreign laguages into the browser... The US and UK are not all the world, you know. Netscape will gain so much users this way.

#28 Re:Will Navigator Get Its Own Dialup Service?

by Kovu <Kovu401@netscape.net>

Saturday May 22nd, 1999 11:11 AM

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and they won't by having an alternative to AOL?

#29 Re:Will Navigator Get Its Own Dialup Service?

by -=Yusuf=- <ssym@hippo.ru.ac.za>

Sunday May 23rd, 1999 8:43 AM

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OK a bit has been said about foreign users here, and how they're all so completely left out of the AOL/Netscape scheme-of-things, so I thought I'd set a couple of things straight.

Firstly, I'm "foreign". I live in Africa, that's about as foreign and 3rd-world as you can get. 56K modems, never mind cable or DSL, are cutting-edge around here.

Secondly, I use My Netscape -- it provides me with SlashDot, 2 TechNews channels, MozillaZine, Mozilla (although I wish they'd mention on the Mozilla channel when a new status update is available *grumble* ) and of course, the Netscape Channel.

And thirdly, you don't have to select the weather and movie listings and all that crap. Just get the good stuff =)

-=Yusuf=-, defending his startup page ("give me My Netscape or give me ... ummmm ... great big bags of large-denomination, untraceable bills! On second thought, just hand over the money!")