The new chrome is very impressive. I especially like the integrated personal toolbar and application icons. I think a more conventional color scheme, at least as an option, would totally awesome.

Oh yeah, since I see you are providing a new xul.css, you should add the declaration

iframe {border:0;}

this gets rid of the ugly black borders and extra space around the scrollbars.

Another thing:

the javascript in navigator.xul is no longer in the same file. It is located in navigator.js.

<html:script language="javascript" src="navigator.js"> </html:script>

Mmmm... looks pretty cool, but it does need some work.

1. Having to be online isn't very good for offline testing, and having to connect to another resource while trying to load pages is a big hassle for those of us on dialups (snicker if you want, but not ALL of us have T3's, ya know).

2. Don't close the toolbars because you can't reopen them without shutting down and restarting Mozilla.

3. For some strange reason, while using the new chrome, a lot of images won't load.

These things being said, kudos are in order for the author(s). I LOVE the throbber, and just as soon as I can figure out how, I'm going to download those images and use them in place of the blue one, which (sorry!) I think is kinda lame.

I'm going back to the default chrome for the time being, but I'm eagerly looking forward to getting a *standalone* (i.e., not connection-dependent) version of this. (Hint, hint!)

Thanks -- everyone is doing a great job, and I appreciate it!

Quick question on the iframe {border:0;} thing. Where in xul.css does this go? Thanks a lot for the suggestions!

Jason mozAdmin2

OK, figured out the iframe thing, thanks for the tips.

zontar: right now, the default chrome is changing daily, which means I have to update it on a daily basis also, so that it works in the nightly builds as well. This also keeps you from having to replace 20-30 files each time you want to use it. If you want the throbber, it is at http://www.mozillazine.org/toolbar/anim.gif for the 'throbbing' one and at http://www.mozillazine.org/toolbar/anims00.gif for the static one. I will work on a stand-alone version as soon as the changes slow down some in the nightly builds, and put together a zip that will let you keep your old files intact.

Thanks for all the suggestions!

Jason, MozAdmin2

If you are using mozilla right now just click on this link to view the mozilla zine skin

http://204.107.76.15/mozillazine/

pete

"and just as soon as I can figure out how, I'm going to download those images and use them in place of the blue one,"

they are in your cache

pete

I have started some documentation for XUL:

http://204.107.76.15/DOCS/

anyone who would like to contribute please do.

pete

heh I did something funny. Instead of downloading and renaming and all that stuff just to see the chrome, I decided to load the xul url in my location bar. voila! browser in my browser (without menus). Then I clicked on pete's link and bam! my entire browser changed in front of my eyes! really cool

ok so I was tricked. :) what happened was i got a completely new browser window positioned exactly on top of the previous one.

Anyone willing to throw some screenshots at us? I'd love to see it on lotsa platforms!

Linux screenshot: http://pimpmaster.org/~simeon/mozilla/shots/mz2.chrome.jpg

Here's a Win98 -shudder- screenshot http://www.denison.edu/~marsha_c/chrome9x.jpg

kerz,

Already found the throbber stuff after poking through the XUL and CSS files, but thanks. I transplanted them into the proper M5 subdirectory so that now it's my default. I never thought to check my cache (DUH! ;-).

I won't really have time over the next week or so to download the nightly builds, I was just wanting a standalone skin to use with M5, which is proving to be remarkably fast and stable.

BTW, for those of you using Windows, a friend of mine took the (new) throbber and turned it into a Win icon file for use as a desktop or taskbar short cut. You can download it here: http://members.rotfl.com/TrekTechSoftware/mozilla.zip -- it's in both 16X16 and 32X32 formats (thanks to Joshua Ducharme of Builder Buzz).

pete,

Thanks for posting the XUL docs -- I look forward to having time to dig into them after the coming week is over.

OK, updated the mz2.navigator.xul so that menu items that don't work are disabled. New docs are up over at mozilla.org that are proving to be quite helpful, check them out here - http://www.mozilla.org/xpfe/xptoolkit/ . This is work in progress, so keep checking back. I am also working on a static version that does not require an internet connection.

Jason Kersey - mozAdmin 2

Speaking about menus...I wonder if you can do this: you know how in NS 4.5 when you click on Bookmarks, you get a menu? So why not scrap the menu bar and replace it with a menu toolbar? That way you'll be able to have the grippy thing, move it around, change background colors etc

Well, I tried out the navigator.xul

I sure as hell hope that isn't going to be the default look and feel.

Could we please have a steady link to the xul file. the only link i can find is in this article

I think I'll make an IE skin for the final release of Mozilla! I know, that was a bad joke.... Actually IE5's interface isn't bad. I like how it blends in with the rest of Win98 (Yes, I use Win98) I also use IE5 and OE5.... May god have mercy on my soul....

hmm IE5 and Win98 are ugly. yechhh Then again, I don't like the look of macos, most xwindow themes, amigaOS, BeOS and the new look of mozilla either. Give me something like nextstep anytime

I kinda dig the Look and feel of Mozilla. I thought NS4.5 was a little too... I dunno, soft. Maybe it was the pastells. Anyway, I just wanted to cast my positive vote for the current look of 5. Very clean