This goes beyond awesome. . . I love it! Finally, a sidebar with really useful functions - and flexible bookmarks to go with them!

How about online presense via _any_ protocol, so I can use ICQ?

Ywwg,

That's what the whole IM protocol was about. I hope they bring it back.

You're on to something there, Ywwg. . .I'm no pro when it comes to the programming work for that, but it would be a major plus to have dual protocols for ICQ and AIM; Others could be added on as future patches?

You're on to something there, Ywwg. . .I'm no pro when it comes to the programming work for that, but it would be a major plus to have dual protocols for ICQ and AIM; Others could be added on as future patches?

Seeing how both protocols are owned by AOL (and gee, they own Netscape too!) I don't see how this could be a problem. I guess it's only a matter of time. (Unless of course, AOL bought ICQ only to run it into the ground...?)

It could be one of the SmartUpdate options, "Would you like ICQ integration into Netscape?"

One thing I would like to know is why AOL can't just hire some more programmers (or even contract them out) to help work on Communicator, specifically things like the IM protocols?

I just hope it can be turned off.

I hope this will be detachable-the same applies to all toolbars btw. Anyway, did anyone see the wallet feature?

Anyone familiar with the Jabber project ( http://www.jabber.org/ )? It's an open source XML-based instant messaging app, designed to be flexible as to its specific protocol, so you can replace your ICQ/AIM/Yahoo! Pager/whatever with it.

I like this sidebar flash panel idea... the only problem is who uses one browsing window these days? my browsing style is to start up with My Netscape and open 10-15 new windows from there with articles of interest. similar situation with search engines. that way things keep loading in the background while i read whatever loaded first. anyway, would this sidebar come up on EVERY window? that would be annoying (like IE does now). If its undockable, that might be cool.

i dunno, i just dont like too many extra features in a browser that dont really belong there. we'll see how useful it turns out.

and i really hope we see some integration between AIM and ICQ in the future. I use AIM right now, because ICQ is such an ugly program (those buttons, icons, fonts, YUCK!), and bloated as well. AIM looks a bit more pleasant on my desktop (cept the ads). Anyway im hoping for an IM app that supports plug-ins for communicating with different protocols.

There are plans to integrate jabber in mozilla. See http://jabber.org/developers/archive/9904/msg00139.html "We currently have Win32, GTK, Java, command line, and TCL clients progressing wonderfully, with a pure HTML based CGI client and a Mozilla-integrated client on the drawing board."

You'll be able to hide the sidebar. Don't stress.

gosh I feel like a kid looking for buried treasure. SmartFind queries! For example you have a query called "everything that end in .com" and every time you add a bookmark somewhere in your bookmarks (such as netscape.com), you find it in this virtual folder as well.

not just hide. Detach!

arielb, glad you like the SmartFind queries! Let us know if you have other ideas for "buried treasure". :^)

Well, another idea would be to have preferences for individual bookmarks. For example, the bookmark for altavista could be set up with its own xul/css file, no javascript and all toolbars. Or you can set up a bookmark folder called "no cache" and anything you put there won't be cached.

To Blackhand,

You can turn it off, although the button to do so isn't working the last time I checked (1 week ago). Its under "View" same as the personal toolbar thing.

Geez, I stopped downloading mozilla for a week and this is what happens. Its neat though.

I'm actually starting to take a serious look at getting Jabber running inside Mozilla, and this might be a big help... you can see my current approach at http://www.dejanews.com/[LB=http://www.mozilla.org/]/msgid.xp?MID=<7g81dd$a401@secnews.netscape.com>

Any/All help or comments are appreciated! If you are interested in following this, please feel free to join the Jabber Development list jdev@jabber.org or visit http://jabber.org for more info.

Is it me, or has starting up Mozilla been taking a longer and longer time? Yes, less stuff is outputted to the DOS box, but actual time seems to be more...

They should also add bookmark alphabetizing

Bookmarks alphabetized, but only as an option. I just HATE how IE alphabetized bookmarks, I don't remember where I put them anymore.

Like Tekhir, I didn't download any binaries for about a week, and -- surprise!! I do hope it's hideable or detachable, though. I like not having anything interfere with a fullsize browser window. Still, it's pretty neat.

BTW, I prefer ICQ, except that the 99 version is Bloat City. I like the ability to separate contacts into different lists and to use fonts & colors (I have contacts in Russia and it's nice to able to use Cyrillic fonts, for instance, instead of roman letters)... But most of the other new stuff is either superfluous (like, I've got a browser for searches, etc., already!) or just plain useless.

FORM input doesn't work properly yet, though...

Sadly, it appears to be completely useless to anyone running in a resolution lower than 1024x768.

Oh well.

They need to put a resizable pane to separate the bookmarks from that other section. And another great thing would be if they made that collapsable, like the toolbars, since it is a little intrusive in normal browsing and resizing it gets annoying.

Well, since the zul defines even the text buttons such as file>open it should be easy to make a toolbar button to open and close the sidebar, when the the view>sidebar or whatever is enabled. As for resizing I think JavaScript can do it but I'm not sure how far along the Mozilla team is with implementing it. Another problem is what if someone turns of js, then it won't resize. I doubt % will make the side bar look right.

It sure does look neat. I wish I could try it, but the Linux binaries won't run on my lowly i586 box. I don't want to get the source tarball and build it myself because the source tarball is larger and compiling the takes a long time.

I wrote some js to open and close the sidebar. But when attributes change on frames, the browser doesn't recognize it, yet. It will, though.

Turning off javascript won't have any effect on javascript outside of the content area. If it did, the whole browser would be broken if you turned off js.

The real problem here is all the space that is being taken by the fancy borders & chrome. At 640x480 res, the left border is 13 pixels, the right is 25 and the bottom is 53. Compare that to the NS 4.5 spec of 2,17 & 19. Web pages that were an exact fit are now broken!

Web pages that are an exact fit are broken per default.

I have problems with getting Mozilla to run all the bits and pieces as it is. I try to run it on as clean a boot as possible (running it as the main shell program under win95b), but it still likes crashing at what seems to be random intervals... loadup speed seems to have decreased too.. but the new features -> like them!! :)

keep up the good work...

After viewing the latest build of Mozilla, I can see that the game is over.

Sidebar Flash Panel? Flash Panel Specification?

Give me a break! Those mozilla guys better get off there butts and quit dicking with eye candy if they're going to stand a snowballs chance in hell against Internet Exploiter!

Oh for crying out loud, if I hear one more person whine about how Internet Explorer is "beating" Netscape, it's going to suck for me.

This is not a holy war, this is not a race, this is not a to-the-death competition, it is a project trying to make a great web browser for use by whomever sees a need for it. Sheesh!

So IE5 is used by a lot of people, and it's got some new geegaws... Woo-f-ing-hah... So people use it, woo-f-ing-hah. It's a tool, not a religion folks.

"Sadly, it appears to be completely useless to anyone running in a resolution lower than 1024x768.

Oh well."

HUH

i'm at 800X600 here at home works fine

pete

I guess Hugo likes to play with his MS Office paperclips and animated menus instead of using bookmarks and other tools to organize all the information that's out there on the internet.

Regarding ICQ, AIM

I think that AOL/Netscape really does need to rewrite ICQ from scratch with a secure, reliable, NO BLOAT protocol. The only thing I want is Messages, chat, file, url, and basic functionility. The EXE should NOT be 1.5 megs or whatever it's at now. Sheesh.

AOL could get some of it's R&D people to rewrite ICQ, and collaborate with mozilla.org so you could get it in the flash panel or what have you.

Want to know what else ? I think that MozillaZine should have an open-forum for wishlist and other ideas, where visitors could discuss ways to improve builds, improve features, etc.

Just a few ideas... any comments?

Just curious, anybody know why the builds take so long to boot up? I realize that this isn't even a beta version of mozilla and that Messenger is included in the build now, but is it because everything is being put in and then being cleaned up?

it could be alot of reasons have a look at this link: http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&email1=&emailtype1=substring&emailassigned_to1=1&email2=&emailtype2=substring&emailreporter2=1&changedin=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&short_desc=slow&short_desc_type=substr&long_desc=&long_desc_type=substr&bug_file_loc=&bug_file_loc_type=substr&status_whiteboard=&status_whiteboard_type=substr&cmdtype=doit&newqueryname=&order=%22Importance%22&form_name=query

>>>I like this sidebar flash panel idea... the only problem is who uses one browsing window these days? my browsing style is to start up with My Netscape and open 10-15 new windows from there with articles of interest. similar situation with search engines. that way things keep loading in the background while i read whatever loaded first.<<<

instead of opening a new window for a new article you would like to read, how about a link will appear in the side-bar? So instead of having 20 windows open, you'll just have 20 links in the side-bar and every time you read a link, it turns purple, so you know you've read it...

I think this could be a cool feature...any thoughts?

Andrew: Mozillazine doesn't need these forums with the mozilla newsgroups already doing these things. To hook up with them, go to mozilla.org and click on Community

Kovu:

you wrote> Mozillazine doesn't need these forums with the mozilla newsgroups already doing these things. To hook up with them, go to mozilla.org and click on Community

I agree. However, we have some cool things we're going to do with wishlists, once we reach final release, so stay tuned.

sure thing. Final release as in not beta, but Final? That means your wishlist will be for Moz 1.1 or 1.5 or whatever it will be called?

about:mozilla to view Netscapes description of a tool.

During the 2nd round of the holy browser wars our village was burned and many people were killed by Microsoft Stormtroopers!

Mozilla MUST be a smashing success in order to strike deep into the underbelly of the Redmond based software barbarian!

Mozilla/1 through /4 is already used. The useragent says Mozilla/5. I wonder, what version number *is* it going to get?

Want even more reason Moz need to kick ass? Since Win 2000 is going to REALLY have the browsing as part of the OS (YUCK), every change made to the Internet "browsing technologies" requires changes in Win2000 code, further pushing back its release. Come to think of it, IE 5 may have had a feature freeze specifically because they wanted to get Win2000 beta 3 out the door.

If Moz takes over between now and the end of the year, Win2000 will have to integrate the new technologies or it will be a browsing dinosaur, and adding Moz code to Win2000 would almost definitely push Win2000 back even further (it's already not likely before early 2000) and give Linux and others (NG Amiga! Nov!) time to get their collective feet more firmly in the door.

This is all speculation of course, but I think it makes sense. So, work! Work!

BTW did anyone check out Netscape's new page-making application? It's a beta now (they must be waiting for Moz integration) but they give you 11 MB and you can upload your own pages. No frames, but it's the first of these "Internet aps" we've been hearing so much about. To check it out, go to Netcenter and click on Home Pages.

>>Andrew: Mozillazine doesn't need these forums with the mozilla newsgroups already doing these things. To hook up with them, go to mozilla.org and click on Community<<

The mozilla community isn't very friendly if the topic isn't developer related. It's all technical. And nobody reads netscape.public.mozilla.wishlist, it might as well be sent to /dev/null on the server

I suppose that's true enough. I've also been on the IRC channel and have never felt so neglected in my life. That's so netscape you can see them bitching at each other about schedules.

The problem with the newsgroups is you have all these guys either 1) asking questions about Netscape 4 or even 3 instead of mozilla 2) repeating the same wishes over and over 3) responding to #1 and #2 instead of simply ignoring them #1 is caused by the name of the NG. People see "Netscape" and ask about Netscape. We need a user-NG with a name that has nothing to do with Netscape so everyone knows what it is! #2 is caused by the lack of a wishlist database that's easy to use. http://boston.devel.org/noreg/moz/news.cgi/start had the right idea but the implementation could be better. It wasn't publicised either.

Dear God!

What's going on?

http://www.noctem.net/netscaped

Is there no end to this madness? We must stop IE in order for mankind to survive!

Kovu, the #mozilla channel is mostly for mozilla developers to keep in touch with what each other are doing. I'd guess that over half of the vocal participants are *not* Netscape employees, but they *are* mozilla developers. Keeping mozilla development progressing is naturally a major topic.

There seems to be something new around this subject http://www.mozilla.org/newsbot