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Mozilla Adds Undetectable document.all Support, Part of New Novell Linux Distribution?

Friday July 23rd, 2004

Jacob writes: "Mozilla builds starting tomorrow will now support an undetectable version of document.all. This will help with sites that blindly use document.all in DHTML scripts. The support should also show up in the next Firefox release. More information is available in the bug."

An important thing to remember is that this will not break existing scripts that check for document.all, it will only work in cases where the script assumes it is running in IE, and does not first check to be sure that document.all works. If document.all is checked for, Mozilla will continue to block its use and act as it always has.

Update: The Register is reporting that Novell will soon be coming out with a slimmed down version of SuSE Linux targeted at exterprise desktops. The interesting part of this story is that they will be shipping a browser that "supported IE6 extensions, making it possible to access IE-only websites." Time will tell if this new support for document.all is related to the Novell news.


#57 addition to an old topic

by rt2

Wednesday November 16th, 2005 5:23 PM

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This is a mostly a pretty silly conversation. People want to use browsers that work with the sites that are already out there. When people on here say "standards," I have to laugh. INTERNET EXPLORER --IS-- the standard. Enough with all the holier-than-thou idealistic standards stuff. Mozilla/Gecko/Firefox ought to support the theoretical standards as much as possible, but it ABSOLUTELY HAS TO support the REAL ONES. A "standard" is not what some acronym-having organization says it is. It's what people actually use. If the EWRDGFW organization says that Betamax video tapes are the video media standard, it doesn't make it so. Nobody loves Internet Explorer. But it is the standard. Mozilla/Firefox are trying to catch up, and doing a pretty good job. #2 has to adapt to #1. It's always been that way. And wishing it wasn't doesn't change a thing; some people need to get over themselves.

p.s. I haven't followed the whole recent conversation on this topic, but if Mozilla really is going back and forth between supporting doc.all that is the worst thing they can do. I tested it out in a recent version of Firefox and the support does seem to be there -- as it should be. And it's also silly to claim that there are anything remotely approaching elegant standards for HTML. The whole thing is a huge hodge-podge of various languages, standards, and approaches anyway. There is no one elegant all-encompassing standard out there; a browser's job is just to properly render webpages, and that's it. For most people on this planet, "properly" means "the same way Internet Explorer renders them." HTML "standards" are important, but so are IE standards. If Microsoft decided the day should have 25 hours, they could win a bunch of followers; and we're only talking about some small subset of HTML here.