M4 Out!

Thursday April 15th, 1999

From Andrew Niese and Dill comes the news that, in Andrew's words, "M4 has been uploaded to the FTP!"

Can't wait to give it a spin.

#1 Re: M4 Out!

by Intercessor

Thursday April 15th, 1999 4:40 PM

Much better than m3 .Sign onscreenswork great.Onlyproblemisthatwheniusethespacebarmyscreenjumpstothebottom?Whatsupwiththat?

#2 Re:M4 Out!

by C WEB

Thursday April 15th, 1999 4:56 PM

Reason enough to party

#3 Re: M4 Out!

by Benjamin Suto

Thursday April 15th, 1999 5:14 PM

Well, I'm using it here. It's the first build that works on my machine rather well. It's getting a lot better, and it's showing a lot of promose!

#4 Re: M4 Out!

by stephan

Thursday April 15th, 1999 5:15 PM

Buggy as hell. Space is just one of the smallest problems I have encountered. When marking text inside this textbox (the MozillaZine response textbox, that is), M4 marks text in the body as well.

Besides, the XULs consistently occupy all resources then crash my computer (Win98).

Not at all ready for release! I can't even scroll to the bottom of this page with my keyboard. Trying to use the left arrow key makes Viewer scroll the page upwards.

#5 Re:M4 Out!

by stephan

Thursday April 15th, 1999 5:28 PM

Only seconds after writing the previous post, M4 crashed trying to read a simple frameset page ( - consuming all resources and crashing.

By the way, the left arrow problem of course only applies within the textbox.

#6 Re: M4 Out!

by VBDan

Thursday April 15th, 1999 5:30 PM

Yeah_the_space_bar_is_a_hindrance_just_a_bit... Well,_at_least_the_selection_bugs_from_m3_are_fixed,_except_you_can't_scroll_by_selecting. And_what's_up_with_that_flashy_scrollbar_thing_when_it_has_focus?

#7 RPMS?

by Erik

Thursday April 15th, 1999 6:45 PM

Any RPM builds available?

#8 Neoplanet with M4

by stephan

Thursday April 15th, 1999 7:36 PM

Neoplanet seems to have upgraded to M4 during the day. It even has that annoying space bug. (Tip: Try pasting spaces instead. It works.)

#9 Re:M4 Out!

by zaw

Thursday April 15th, 1999 7:40 PM

Why the FullCircle one is Smaller then one without?

#10 Re:M4 Out!

by stephan

Thursday April 15th, 1999 7:44 PM

zaw: It doesn't include Viewer.

#11 Re: M4 Out!

by Tristan Wibberley

Thursday April 15th, 1999 8:25 PM

Well, the space bar doesn't seem to cause any ill effects on Linux. But why is the Linux binary 8Mb?! A few bugs, but quite useable. V. Good.

#12 Re:M4 Out!

by Matt Walker

Thursday April 15th, 1999 8:35 PM

Help! It won't even start and I keep getting the error... "Can't open Data Detective Windows registry key. The program will abort. Launch Indexer to solve this problem." What in the world is that?!

#13 Re: M4 Out!

by Neil M.

Thursday April 15th, 1999 8:36 PM

Pressing space scrolls the page to where the cursor is in the HTML (Not in the textbox)

If I click the word "Response" in this form I can see what I'm typing with a little flicker every time I press space.

Whoa funky effect. While in a textbox, select text using the keyboard. (Shift+arrow key) It selects the text in the textbox and text in the html at the same time!

#14 Re: M4 Out!

by stephan

Thursday April 15th, 1999 9:55 PM

Neil M: M3 works in much the same way AFA selecting text is conserned.

#15 Re:M4 Out!

by arielb

Thursday April 15th, 1999 10:28 PM

naaa we still have a long way to go. Scrollbar on the left and right, blinking scrollbar, lots of fun things. Now the xultool skins don't work :( I can't wait until July 20 which I call Freedom Day because mozilla won't be too dependent on Netscape by that time. Then I'll really dig into it-trying to find things that are easy to miss instead of pointing out the obvious stuff we see here today

#16 Re:M4 Out!

by basic

Thursday April 15th, 1999 10:33 PM

Anybody crashed apprunner in the win32 build with fullcircle yet? Fullcircle doesn't seem to work on my machine.

#17 fullcircle

by m.d

Thursday April 15th, 1999 10:57 PM

how come including fullcircle makes the archive smaller, hu? 2943 Kb Thu Apr 15 16:09:00 1999 3249 Kb Thu Apr 15 14:17:00 1999

#18 Re: M4 Out!

by elness

Thursday April 15th, 1999 11:03 PM

Just downloaded M4 for Macintosh; seems to work pretty well. Also exhibits the "jumping to the bottom of the page" behavior as I type spaces into the text field. Otherwise, it seems to be holding up well. Kudos to Team Mozilla!

#19 Re:M4 Out!

by Tobias Adamson

Friday April 16th, 1999 1:13 AM

Hmmm npjava.dll error Apprunner craches directly on startup Anybody got the same error?

#20 Re: fullcircle

by Sailor V

Friday April 16th, 1999 3:51 AM

> how come including fullcircle makes the archive smaller, hu?

read the readme file in the same folder: and you shall have your answer (even though it's not as complete an answer as I wish it were).

To quote (partially): > The package includes third party > software, to aid the mozilla developers in the tracking of > crashing bugs; this package does not contain many of the test > executables contained in > The third party code is *not* open source, but > most of the build is the same as

#21 gripe, gripe, gripe

by Gorf

Friday April 16th, 1999 4:16 AM

I'm SURPRISED at some of the comments here...come ON folks, Mozilla is still very much pre-Beta, give it a break. Of course it still has bugs...what did you expect, release quality?

If you don't like it, then fix the bugs yourself and send them in. Sheesh.

#22 Re:M4 Out!

by mani

Friday April 16th, 1999 4:31 AM

Yes, I've crashed apprunner and fullcircles works fine. Unfortunately that seems to be the only thing that works fine since apprunner always crashes at startup for me.

#23 Proxy

by Glenn Tillema

Friday April 16th, 1999 5:42 AM

How do you set up mozilla to run through a proxy?

#24 Re: Proxy

by Mad

Friday April 16th, 1999 6:29 AM

Glenn : Clip the proxy-related lines in your Netscape prefs.js file into Mozilla's prefs.js. That did the trick for me.

#25 Note To MozAdmin

by SomeSmartAss

Friday April 16th, 1999 7:11 AM

Every once and a while somebody pops up with the question "How do You run Mozilla through a proxy?" and I'm sure there is a few other commonly asked questions, ("how do get the ActiveX working?", "when is the Beta supposed to be out?" etc. etc.) Perhaps its time to add a FAQ or a "Newbie News" section to this site. Maybe as a perminant talkback, like the Poll results. Just a thought.

#26 annoying problem

by Ripley

Friday April 16th, 1999 7:18 AM

Why does show up as all black after scrolling? I've noticed that the frame borders of the browser itself also turn black, so maybe there is some leaking between style sheets.

But, what do I know?

#27 Re:M4 Out!

by Tekhir

Friday April 16th, 1999 9:52 AM

Someone mention about a scroll bar on the left and the right. The scrollbar on the left is part of a fram which is almost hidden. If you drag it it out it is the bookmark history pane. Its a little annoying now but hopefully it will be changed in later releases.

#28 Re:annoying problem

by basic

Friday April 16th, 1999 11:57 AM

It's a known bug. They are trying to fix it.

#29 Re:M4 Out!

by Lilith

Friday April 16th, 1999 2:59 PM

Does look weird to anyone else using mozilla, when compared to NS?

Click on Gist Plus as well. Nothing aligned properly.

Anyway, looks better than M3 but that scrollbar on the left side of the window just doesn't make sense.

#30 Re:M4 Out!

by Ebbe Latkin

Friday April 16th, 1999 6:39 PM

a scrollbar on left side instead of the right side of the window does not make sense? Why Lilith? Why does it make sense on the right and not on the left?

#31 Re:apprunner always crashes at startup

by basic

Friday April 16th, 1999 10:15 PM

What does it crash with? If it crashes with npmidi32.dll (bug#5049), npjava32.dll (bug #4568 might also be related to bug #1483), npjava11.dll (bug #5033), if any of these files are related to the crash rename/delete them and try again. They are found in your communicator plugin directory. If you have a dual-pentium box it is known bug (bug #4270), go to bugzilla to see the status on this bug.

#32 Re:annoying problem

by basic

Friday April 16th, 1999 10:24 PM

Known problem (bug #2482), it has been appearing and disappearing.

#33 Re:M4 Out!

by Surewind

Friday April 16th, 1999 11:17 PM

Yeah, that is rally a great build, but can it send E-mail yet???

#34 Re:M4 Out!

by Anonymous Howard

Saturday April 17th, 1999 12:43 AM

As someone already said, that scrollbar on the left is part of a whole 'nother window. Put your mouse pointer on the border between the left window and the right one and drag it to the right.

You see?

#35 Re:send E-mail yet???

by basic

Saturday April 17th, 1999 1:48 AM

Yes. It needs your preference file from comm4.5 though. The preference section is not ready yet.

#36 Humiliating!

by -=Yusuf=-

Saturday April 17th, 1999 4:04 AM

This is really humiliating....

OK the *OLD* version of Gecko used to render the Box Acid Test - now found at - fine. This M4 build renders it incorrectly, at least on MY machine! Any comments on this?

Whats especially bad is the fact that I was using the Test to prove to a friend that Mozilla is Mozilla running in some backwards-compatibility mode that I can turn off maybe?


#37 Regression

by mozineAdmin

Saturday April 17th, 1999 6:01 AM


Some regression is expected as more the the CSS spec gets implemented. Please file any bugs you have at:

Be sure to run a query first to see if a report has already been filed for your particular bug (go to the query page, type in some keywords, and see what comes back).

#38 Re:Humiliating!

by basic

Saturday April 17th, 1999 9:31 AM

If you resize the window then it displays correctly.

#39 More Proxy Questions

by Sugam Jain

Saturday April 17th, 1999 6:21 PM

I tried copying the info from my old prefs file to the new one, however, M4 will still not work. Is it compatible in the mac version?

If someone coudl send me waht I should add in, it would be helpful.


#40 Re:M4 Out!

by arielb

Saturday April 17th, 1999 7:15 PM

aha so the scrollbar makes sense -now it reminds me of Opera before 3.6. Of course, in Opera 3.6 you can close that bookmark window

#41 Re: M4 Out!

by Tekhir

Sunday April 18th, 1999 3:52 PM

You can edit the xul to skip the frames s you won't see that, but then you'll have to delete a lot of "frames[1]" refrences.

I think it would be cool if they can do it with layers instead but how do you pass a layer to a different page without so very creative javascript. Actually, I'm surprised they didn't make the sidebar a horizontal toolbar. Well, it'll ge fixed eventually.

#42 Re:M4 Out!

by Roger B. Sidje

Monday April 19th, 1999 9:31 PM

Can someone tell me if MathML is supported in Gecko, so that I can spread the news around?

This is a much awaited feature for us in the scientific community.

#43 Re:MathML

by basic

Tuesday April 20th, 1999 1:16 AM

Not that I know of, though I think I read somewhere in the newsgroups that there were people who were interested in adding it. I'll check again, if not do you know anybody who might be interested in adding MathML?

#44 Re:M4 Out!

by Nisheeth Ranjan

Tuesday April 20th, 1999 2:56 PM

MathML is going to need support for allowing third party frame objects to plug into Gecko. This support for extensible frames will need us to expose our frame and style APIs to the outside world, something that we do not want to do before they are more fleshed out. We know that development of MathML and SVG is blocked on this task and that this is a significant problem. We plan to attack this problem once Gecko 1.0 is feature complete.

Nisheeth -- Gecko Team Member (XML, Layout, Webshell), Netscape

#45 Re:M4 Out!

by arielb

Tuesday April 20th, 1999 4:30 PM

I certainly want to see MathML and SVG (I have a website that could benefit from that) I'd also like to know how robust xml links are going to be? This will truly change the web, IMHO

#46 Re:M4 Out!

by Roger B. Sidje

Tuesday April 20th, 1999 5:41 PM

The entire academic world comprising folks from universities, librarians, colleges, etc. will look no further than Gecko when support to MathML is there. As for the SVG revolution, the impact will be immense! Webmonkey has this to say:

#47 Re: Re:send E-mail yet???

by Surewind

Wednesday April 21st, 1999 5:04 AM

I have tried to copy my prefs.js to mozilla's dir, but it still can't send E-mail, why?