Firefox, Thunderbird Minor Upgrades Released
Tuesday June 29th, 2004
mozilla.org today released upgrades to both Firefox 0.9 (0.9.1) and Thunderbird 0.7 (0.7.1) to fix some minor bugs present in both releases. Both releases correct some flaws in the extension system that some users may have been experiencing, as well as a new icon set for the navigation toolbar on Windows and Linux in Firefox 0.9.1. All users of both products should get this upgrade. Builds are available for Firefox 0.9.1 and Thunderbird 0.7.1, as well as updated release notes (Fx, Tb) for both.
#1 Torrents ?
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 12:32 AM
#3 Re: Torrents ?
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 12:57 AM
Why torrents for downloading these two small files.....?
#19 Re: Re: Torrents ?
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 5:52 AM
torrents are good for mozilla.org ... don't know why they are not listed by default
#34 Re: Re: Re: Torrents ?
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 11:53 AM
Whats with this craze of torrents?
ftp download from mozilla.org is at a decent enough speed.
#40 Re: Re: Re: Re: Torrents ?
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 1:22 PM
so? it only means that mozilla's servers are ok, but they have to pay with that ... with torrents, all who download share a little bandwith
#47 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Torrents ?
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 3:24 PM
If they don't care about torrents, that is obviously no issue for them, at least not currently.
Or else they need to seriously reconsider how they distribute their files.
#70 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Torrents ?
Wednesday June 30th, 2004 4:09 PM
If mozilla.org is having problems with bandwidth costs, they should setup a torrent tracker on one of their servers. This is simple to do and will save tons of cash. I'm sure they could easily have a PC sitting around somewhere seeding all of the popular releases. But this is really their responsibility. They need to be the ones to initiate the torrents. That's the only reliable way it will work.
#63 Re: Torrents ?
Wednesday June 30th, 2004 3:47 AM
Bittorrents are designed for sharing larger files, which is why they're used for the suite. There's no need for Torrents to download files that are only a few megabytes.
#2 Uninstall required again?
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 12:37 AM
Will I have to uninstall 0.9 again before installing the upgrade?
#4 Re: Uninstall required again?
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 1:10 AM
Yes, but keep your profile.
#31 Re: Re: Uninstall required again?
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 10:46 AM
why would you have too? it is supposed to be a minor update ... in fact ... i updated without uninstalling ... no problems
#33 Re: Re: Re: Uninstall required again?
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 11:52 AM
It still *might* cause problems. Best to uninstall 0.9 first.
#5 A few minor problems with 0.9.1
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 2:55 AM
Ok, looks good, just a few questions:
0.9.1 lists an update to do - it's 0.9.1. Yes, I'm sure I upgraded (Using linux-gtk2-xft builds)
about:plugins is now a plain list instead of the ordered nicely one before - bug or supposed this way - if supposed - why?
#6 Re: A few minor problems with 0.9.1
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 3:07 AM
I've never had cause to use about:plugins before, but on the Win32 build that I'm using it doesn't seems "plain", there is a styled header for each plugin, and a blue-headed table underneath with some other information in. Not sure what you're seeing, maybe it's just something missing in the Linux builds.
#7 Re: Re: A few minor problems with 0.9.1
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 3:13 AM
No, it's even more plain here: Black text on white ground and hardly any text formating. What you are seeing is what I was used to see as well.
#26 Re: Re: Re: A few minor problems with 0.9.1
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 8:42 AM
I had that problem a couple of builds ago. It isn't the build it is a plugin or extension that you installed that incorrectly writes chrome data. Your best bet is to rename your profile chrome directory and install extensions until you find the culprit. My culprit was StumbleUpon. It installed and worked although it didn't use the extensions manager.
#12 Re: A few minor problems with 0.9.1
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 4:50 AM
I also uninstalled 0.9 and installed 0.9.1 and am still being told there is an upgrade available: Firefox 0.9.1.
#35 Re: Re: A few minor problems with 0.9.1
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 11:54 AM
Tools -> Options -> Advanced -> Software updates (uncheck all boxes)
#62 Re: Re: Re: A few minor problems with 0.9.1
Wednesday June 30th, 2004 12:10 AM
I have the same problem, but disabling checks for updates doesn't seem the right solution for me. Is this acknowledged as a bug? Is the bug nominated for 1.0 release?
#14 Re: A few minor problems with 0.9.1
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 5:13 AM
> 0.9.1 lists an update to do - it's 0.9.1. That's because 0.9.1 has an internal version number of 0.9 (pref: app.version) to allow the installation of themes and extensions which state they're only compatible with Firefox versions up to 0.9, which does not include 0.9.0+ or 0.9.1. On the other hand, http://update.mozilla.org/update.rdf states that 0.9.1 is available, to inform 0.9 users of the update. Unfortunately, 0.9.1 users receive this notification as well. That's why the release notes say: "You may see status notifications for available updates when there are none."
about:plugins WFM with the default theme. Other themes need to be fixed, as I posted in the themes forum two weeks ago: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=85200
#16 Re: Re: A few minor problems with 0.9.1
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 5:36 AM
The release notes said that already for 0.9 - it's not about this particular issue.
I don't know if it's the right thing for UMO to mention 0.9.1. I filed bug 249015 about it to keep track of it anyway - it may well be a WONTFIX bug.
#18 Re: Re: A few minor problems with 0.9.1
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 5:43 AM
Yes, with the default theme about:plugins works as usual, thanks for that hint. I didn't think this could be theme related.
IMO, it wasn't a good decision to allow themes and extensions with an 0.9 to work, because people may get confused. Yes, I know, a bit of work for the theme and extension authors, but still stuff like that causes bad press...
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 6:19 AM
There's nothing in "about:plugins" that affects the chrome area of the browser. If the display is theme-dependent, then that's a major design flaw that needs to be addressed.
#57 This is a bug???
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 6:16 PM
This stupid notification icon seems to hinder the adblock button at the right bottom from showing, this is so annoying. :(
#8 Installion quirk in Firefox 0.9.1
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 3:41 AM
After installing Firefox 0.9.1, a box popped up giving me the option to "Launch Firefox Now", and it looked weird. Half of it was covered in a red colored bar. I think I also noticed the same thing happening with Firefox 0.9.
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 3:43 AM
Specifically, half of the "Launch Firefox Now" wording was covered with a red colored bar thing.
#10 And one more thing ...
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 4:04 AM
I also found I had to download & reinstall the Macromedia Flash plugin because, for some reason, it got erased. But everything else (i.e. extensions, bookmarks) was still there.
#25 Re: And one more thing ...
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 8:38 AM
This is probably because the Flash plugin is stored in the application directory, while extension and bookmark information is stored in the profile directory.
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 3:05 PM
Save your plugins directory. All are completely reuseable with every new FF release.
#11 Re: Installion quirk in Firefox 0.9.1
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 4:44 AM
Yeah, that happens to me every time as well.
#13 Re: Re: Installion quirk in Firefox 0.9.1
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 4:50 AM
Me too. It's strange, but barely a showstopper though.
#30 Re: Installion quirk in Firefox 0.9.1
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 9:37 AM
That's http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=225281 and it's kind of annoying. As you can see from comment 15, ben hasn't figured out how to fix it, and is asking for help. Anyone???
#64 Re: Re: Re: Installion quirk in Firefox 0.9.1
Wednesday June 30th, 2004 3:52 AM
does that for me as well, except it's blue for me
#15 Messy, messy , messy
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 5:18 AM
- The "Launch Firefox Now" installer bug (how long will it take for such a minor bug to be fixed?) - Incorrect update detection (having uninstalled 0.9 and installed 0.9.1 I am now told that "Firefox found the following updates: Firefox 0.9.1) - Releasing an release candidate, new version, then patches within two weeks? That's just clumsy I'm afraid. - Don't like the new default theme either - boring and generic. - Buggy Rheme and Extension managers (tiny bugs but still bugs). - Still no single window mode by default.
Still the best goddam thing since sliced bread though.
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 6:56 AM
"(how long will it take for such a minor bug to be fixed?)"
It's obviously not getting a high priority exactly because the bug is minor. You shouldn't look for polish like that in a pre-beta release anyway.
"Don't like the new default theme either - boring and generic."
That's because there's a theme manager for people like you.
"Buggy Rheme and Extension managers (tiny bugs but still bugs)."
That's because it's not 1.0.
"Still no single window mode by default."
That's because it's just a minor patch to 0.9. Expect that in maybe 1.1, 1.2 or so...
#17 Installing extensions
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 5:40 AM
1) Will installing multiple extensions and restarting once introduce any errors? It is a pain in the neck to restart FF every time.
2) Is there a way to have extensions installed by default in a customized firefox installation? I was able to install PubMed toolbar extension in Mozilla 1.6 by default, but Firefox seems a different stroy.
3) I found an extension "Switch Proxy Tool" http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefox&id=125&vid=187 which is nice for using "privoxy" http://www.privoxy.org/ and/or anonymous proxies. In this age (GW) of degrading privacy, wouldn't it be nice if Mozilla Firefox came (default install) with a list of anonymous proxies?
#21 Re: Installing extensions
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 6:56 AM
1. That's a yes and a no. It depends on the extension. I installed 5-6 extensions at once and all but one worked. I uninstalled that one and reinstalled it by itself and it worked.
#23 The new Winstripe theme
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 6:59 AM
Great job on fixing it! :-)
It looks MUCH better now, with not only improved icons but also fixed icon sizes / spacing.
The "New Tab" icon still looks like a toaster to me though, but I don't use it so whatever... ;)
#36 Re: The new Winstripe theme
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 11:56 AM
ditto! Glad they replaced those triangles with arrows.
Now if only the toolbar wasnt wider than qute, and there was a line separating tab from content (e.g. google.com)
#38 Re: Re: The new Winstripe theme
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 12:02 PM
No, no, no. I don't want line separating the tab from the contents. I like it like this. Some themes do that, so you could consider those. (Modern for Firefox, if memory serves well.)
#46 Re: Re: The new Winstripe theme
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 3:14 PM
Anyone know if it's possible to MOVE the seperator between the URL and Google bar, as it looks ugly crunched up in the corner there....
#24 cannot install extensions with firefox 0.9.1
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 8:17 AM
I just uninstalled firefox 0.9 and installed firefox 0.9.1. IT kept all of the extensions I had, but it won't let me install any new extensions. I even tried downloading the installation file and dragging it over firefox. It just ignores it. When I click on the install link, it looks like it tried to download it, but then nothing happens. I restarted firefox and still nothing. Has anyone else seen this?
#42 Re: cannot install extensions with firefox 0.9.1
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 1:47 PM
Yes, exactly as you said.
#54 Re: Re: cannot install extensions with firefox 0.9
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 5:27 PM
WFM Be sure Tools->Options->Advanced->Allow Websites to Install Software is checked.
Or if you prefer about:config make sure that xpinstall.enabled is true.
Oh and because I had to look for another extension to install to test this, I installed Flat Boomark Editing. I may not use it often but when I do it'll be nice to use.
#78 Re: Re: Re: cannot install extensions with firefox
Tuesday July 6th, 2004 12:32 PM
thanks, that helped
#79 Re: cannot install extensions with firefox 0.9.1
Tuesday July 13th, 2004 9:28 AM
I installed the 6-29 build and still cannot install by clicking on the xpi file link. Other file types do respond appropriately. If I r-click open in new window, the installer will come up okay (but not r-click open in new tab).
#80 Re: cannot install extensions with firefox 0.9
Tuesday July 13th, 2004 9:32 AM
Oh, and I do have xpinstall.enabled set to True.
#81 Re: cannot install extensions with firefox 0.9.1
Tuesday July 27th, 2004 5:47 PM
I have firefox 0.9.2 installed. i seem to be having the same problem. i click the install link, there is some browser activity, yet nothing happens. I've tried all sorts of extensions; none of them work. Does anyone know how to fix this problem?
#27 Thunderbird Threads fixed?
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 8:46 AM
Folks, I don't have access to my Thunderbird XP box right now, but I have to ask, as the threading bug been fixed in 0.7.1? When I upgraded to 0.7, I noticed that whenever I enabled threading on any folder, when I restarted Thunderbird, that folder lost the threading. So, I had to enable it every time I started on every folder. That gets very annoying.
#37 Re: Thunderbird Threads fixed?
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 12:00 PM
I used 0.7 and never had trouble with the threaded state being lost. I am subsribed to several maillists and threaded is the best way of viewing those. It all worked without a hitch. 0.7.1 likewise. MAybe something got borked with updating you profile between 0.6 and 0.7? Just gassing.
#28 Theme changes
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 9:13 AM
Well i see they updated the theme, maybe it looks slightly better but not really, the new reload button lookslike a blue blob or something. I still think it needs work
#29 Re: Theme changes
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 9:34 AM
Nobody has said it doesn't still need work - they are still working on it, and they've got another couple of months to work on it before 1.0.
#48 Re: Re: Theme changes
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 3:31 PM
I'm happy with how it is now, at least with back/forward/reload/stop/home. I don't use the others regularly so I can't tell for sure about those yet. I don't really see what the "blue blob" thing is all about. It's two "reload" arrows, in the same vein as the Windows XP standard reload icon, only that the arrows are blue now and not green. If you can't see it's arrows you need new glasses. :)
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 11:33 AM
0.9.1 lists an update to do - it's 0.9.1. Yes, I'm sure I upgraded (Using final BUILD EXE Win32) and in this site, links not work correctly....
http://batepapo.uol.com.br Just click in the Left side, and nothing happen... a Nightly Build of 0.9.1 work's well this... but in official 0.9.1 i'snt!
#39 If anyone is interested, I got Pentium 4 builds
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 12:21 PM
Firefox 0.91 Pentium 4 (SSE2) optomised here: http://www.mgillespie.plus.com/Mozilla/Firefox.htm Thunderbird 0.71 Pentium 4 (SSE2) optimised here: http://www.mgillespie.plus.com/Mozilla/Thunderbird.htm
The Firefox is done, and uploaded, the Thunderbird will be finished compiling in a hour or so...
#41 Re: If anyone is interested, I got Pentium 4 build
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 1:40 PM
Do I need to uninstall my regular FF / TB installs before I install yours? What files does it replace / do I need to backup anything?
#45 Re: Re: If anyone is interested, I got Pentium 4 b
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 3:12 PM
No, the install removes the previous install automagically from the install directory... The only caveat is that you must select the same directory from my installer, as to where you previously installed FB (default is C:\Program Files\Mozilla FireFox).
PS. Having some problems with the Thunderbird 0.71 P4 release, as the source has only just been posted on the FTP, and build the wrong CVS code :-(
#43 Re: If anyone is interested, I got Pentium 4 build
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 1:50 PM
Do I need to uninstall my regular FF / TB installs before I install yours? What files does it replace / do I need to backup anything?
#50 Re: If anyone is interested, I got Pentium 4 build
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 4:36 PM
Good god that's fast.. thank you.. can't wait for thunderbird
#69 Re: Re: If anyone is interested, I got Pentium 4 b
Wednesday June 30th, 2004 12:09 PM
Thunderbird 0.71 SSE2 Pentium 4 build is now up...
#71 Re: Re: Re: If anyone is interested, I got Pentium
Wednesday June 30th, 2004 4:45 PM
The TB build you just did no longer works for me, I had your previous installed (.7) and it ran fine. This version only starts up, but uses little memory and never displays the gui, I can only see it in the task manager. I tried installing over my previous .7 build from you, and uninstalled and reinstalled your .71. Same problem with both.
Your FB build is AWSOME! Let me know if you need any more help - email me@ firstname.lastname@example.org
#74 Re: Re: Re: Re: If anyone is interested, I got Pen
Thursday July 1st, 2004 12:35 AM
It works perfectly for me, although I installed over my old Official .7.1 install that might make a difference.. also it's fast as hell.
#75 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: If anyone is interested, I got
Thursday July 1st, 2004 5:23 AM
You do need to install the official 0.7.1 and then the P4 Enhanced version. I tried installing it over a .7 and a clean install and both failed. Installing over my .7.1 (official) worked perfectly :)
Thanks for that bit of info :)
#76 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: If anyone is interested, I
Thursday July 1st, 2004 11:21 AM
Unfortunatly, I cannot figure out how to use the official installer, the documentation is thin on the ground, hence the "provisional" NSIS installer. I think the official installer does some other "upgrade" magic, which mine does not... I will add the comment about installing over 7.1 Official if people have problems to the web pages. I will also try to figure out how to build the official installer before the next TB and FB releases...
I find them considerably faster that the stock builds, and am glad other people also see the same performance benefits....
Wednesday June 30th, 2004 5:48 AM
I'm just curious - what's the performance difference in these optimised builds? Is it mainly rendering that improves? By how much?
#49 A reminder of why I like Gecko, and hate IE.
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 3:52 PM
There I was reading this article about how the latest flaw in IE had allowed, yet again, a bunch of hackers (from Russia) to infect the computers of numerous users, and how alternative browsers like Mozilla Firefox don't have to worry about that. Soon afterwards, I went to a web page via an e-mail link that opened in IE, and had TONS of problems displaying correctly. Just for the hell of it, I copied & pasted the link into Firefox 0.9.1 and used it to go there, and (Surprise!! Surprise!!) it looked exactly the way it was supposed to. This kind of stuff just reminds me why I'm converting over to a non-Microsoft enviorment. There's no excuse for this type of crap.
#53 Re: A reminder of why I like Gecko, and hate IE.
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 5:15 PM
Ah that's an old one. :P Have you seen this one? http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105_2-5251981.html
Send that one to your financial institute the next time you complain to them that you can't online bank with them using a gecko browser. (For those who can't bank online with gecko that is)
#58 Re: Re: A reminder of why I like Gecko, and hate I
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 8:30 PM
so much for the "reasonable" compromise of using firefox for 99% of websites and IE to get to your bank site. It's firefox only baby!
#59 Re: Re: Re: A reminder of why I like Gecko, and ha
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 9:11 PM
Well they say you can still browse with IE with High security settings but good luck getting by with that. You can't download ANYTHING with IE in that mode. Although you could set it to high and then do custom to enable just file downloading but there's alot more I'd guess you can't do with those settings.
#60 Gecko loves my FI's web site :-)
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 9:12 PM
Don't have to. My financial instution's web site switched over to Gecko compatibility awhile back ... which was a good thing. Had TONS of display problems using IE. The problems disappeared when I used a Gecko-based browser. The minute I found out about the latter, I stopped using the former immediately.
#51 Firefox download page - Win95
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 4:59 PM
The download page for firefox still suggests the windows download for people using Win95 even though firefox 0.9.x doesn't work with Win95. I know the release notes say Win98 min, but might be good if the autodetect looked at windows version and suggested that firefox will no longer work with win95 rather than suggesting downloading the current windows version. It's just the sort of people who will download it and have it crash (as it does on 95) that will not look at the release notes but still complain that it doesn't work. It could instead point them to 0.8, as that did work with 95, but I guess as that has bugs and incomplete features and such, it's not a great way to go either - or better to the Moz suite as it still lists 95 in the 1.7 release.
Just some thoughts from someone stuck on Win95 at the moment!
#52 Great article on why to use FireFox
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 5:13 PM
Good that a new release of FireFox just came out!
#61 Too bad it's author can't do his homework
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 9:22 PM
Mr. Wildstrom says that the Google Toobar only works with IE, not mentioning that there's a Gecko-compatible version at Mozdev. He could have easily found that out if he bothered to check.
#67 Re: Too bad it's author can't do his homework
Wednesday June 30th, 2004 9:47 AM
In a way Wildstrom is correct, since the Gecko-compatible version is not an "official" Google toolbar. You can't get if from Google.com and Google does not endorse it.
The Google Toolbar specs at: http://toolbar.google.com/ do specify: " System Requirements
Microsoft Windows 95/98/ME/NT/2000/XP Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.0 or later The pop-up blocker requires Internet Explorer 5.5 or later."
Sure Wildstrom could have worked the Googlebar extension into his article, but technically he is correct.
#72 Forget correct. He's lazy.
Wednesday June 30th, 2004 7:28 PM
If that guy has Firefox or Mozilla installed on a computer somewhere within Business Week's HQ, then he would've known about the Gecko-compatible Googlebar. It's litterally the first thing you see when you go to Firefox Extensions, or Mozdev's Extension Room. You can't miss it. I didn't. I don't know how he doesn't know about it. It's not like it's a new thing. It's been around for awhile now.
#73 Re: Too bad it's author can't do his homework
Thursday July 1st, 2004 12:32 AM
Hang on, the Google Toolbar itself doesn't work, as pointed out above. Plus, the mozdev alternative "googlebar" is missing the PageRank score, so it isn't a feature-complete clone either. Since he didn't mention the alternative, it is quite probable he didn't see it but it's also quite possible that he did and considers it unfinished or lacking. I know that I do, since PageRank feedback is the only feature I really want from it.
#55 And this bug still has not been fixed
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 5:37 PM
Still can type any URL into the location bar, hit ATL + Enter to open that site in a new tab, close the tab and still see that closed tab's URL in the location bar while looking at a totally different site.
#56 Permissions Broken in F.Fox 0.9.1 for OS X/Darwin
Tuesday June 29th, 2004 5:50 PM
Several of the files (probably a majority, including Firefox.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox-bin) in the default installation can be removed by standard users who do not own the files as individuals or part of a group.
#66 updated, not revised, release notes
Wednesday June 30th, 2004 6:19 AM
In the future it'd be nice to have release notes explain the minor release fixes. When users have just upgraded to 0.9 they want to know why 0.9.1 would be released.
#68 Firefox: View Source/Save Page As...
Wednesday June 30th, 2004 12:07 PM
Prior to Firefox 0.9, I was able to use the View Source option on a page and save the source code as a file. However, after upgrading to 0.9, the "Save Page As..." option is disabled when viewing the source code. Is this a preference that I've overlooked, or is it still an outstanding bug? I've also tried the mozex extension, but unfortunately there appeared to be a bug with that extension as well.
Please advise if this is a preference I need to modify or if it's a bug that will be addressed in upcoming releases.
#77 lost the "save link to disk" option
Thursday July 1st, 2004 11:28 PM
"Is it my imagination, or have I really Is it my imagination, or have I really lost the "save link to disk" option on the right-click menu? I used to find it very useful, as it would automatically download the file to my downloads folder without asking any questions, and would handle filename clashes by itself... "
Has anyone answered this yet? Because I certainly thought we lost this feature. Is this true?
#82 Re: lost the "save link to disk" option
Wednesday August 4th, 2004 9:15 PM
I thougt that this may have been an extention that is no longer on the firefox site. I too am looking for it and my even resort to writng and extension soley for this purpose if one does not already exsist. Some please tell me that it does.