Although I agree the standard of English in the article leaves too much to be desired, is it a good idea to be so harsh on MozillaZine on someone who's not that hostile to our cause. I know it may be a joke, but it can be taken the wrong way.

I feel that whoever wrote the writeup above should perhaps re-read http://www.mozilla.org/advocacy.html and do some background reading on the author of the OSDir article.

He's not even 18, and what a wonderful start to Mozilla he's received. A blasting from a site allegedly dedicated to Mozila advocacy. Apart from the fact the writeup above isn't exactly Oscar Wilde either, the article itself says what it nees to say and isn't actually that bad.

I just felt I had to create an account here at MZ cause this actually made me very angry.

Given the regularity with which MozillaZine stories are published with errors, I don't think you're in much position to criticise.

I can only actually see 2 mistakes that would be caught by a speel checker. Mostly it's grammatical stuff, and sadly Thunderbird doesn't have a grammar checker. Neither does OpenOffice for that matter. Are you using Microsoft Word to write MozillaZine? ;)

Nice to see how you treat members the community.

For once, I think a 'me too' post is appropriate: I agree, remove the joke.

That sounds like a comment I'd make - "foot, meet mouth"

As I type this, I look up a few lines and see in the POST TALKBACK paragraph this bit of text: "Please keep your comments friendly!" Too bad the author of the review didn't receive the same courtesy.

I've been hearing how Mozilla has been viewed as becoming more and more of a place for techno-snobs. That's likely not true, but comments like what have been made in this article don't do anything to stop rumours like that, do they?

Do the right thing and edit your own comment.

The great shame with the above news item is that it deviated off reporting facts into a personal attack on the author.

Some may claim its a joke - well jokes do not always transfer well to a text only medium, and besides - its not very good either... its not as if the review was in leet-speak or something.....

There are times when I honestly think I use Moz/Fb/Tb in spite of some factions of the community, not because of them.

Sense has prevailed

It's good to correct a mistake when it's pointed out. Thank you.

enough already-can we actually discuss the content of the article?

Aside from the fact that the author of the review really likes commas a lot, I don't see anything too terrible to make a statement about his grammatical skill on the front page of a "professional" community news site. If someone did that at a newspaper they would be fired, or at the very least, severely reprimanded. Go take your childish language snobbery to the forums instead of the front page of the leading Mozilla advocacy site. I'm glad to see the remark was removed, however there should have been a sincere apology with it and maybe just a hint of remorse in any of the replies. The fact that there wasn't is sad.

The author mentions the lack of virtual folders as a shortcoming of Thunderbird. Can someone who s more familiar with virtual folders explain how different they are from the 'views' feature of thunderbird. Obviously they use folders to represent filters rather than just having a select box for each filter. I also assume (but maybe I'm wrong) that the main inbox only shows mail not in one of the virtual folders. I also assume that some tangential features make this functionality more useful e.g. the ability to assign an arbitary number of labels to a piece of mail. Is that all, or s there more?

People seem too mention this a lot, but I've never seen a clear explaination of what's missing.

Alex

It was a personal attack in that the comments had SOD ALL to do with Thunderbird and instead decided to focus on the quality of the review writers English skills. If you are unable to see why that is an issue then I must question why you are involved with advocacy.

Sorry for sounding pissy, but be fair. The point of advocacy is to bring in all elements together - as the article stood it was at best snobbish, and at worst portrayed an element of elitism. Great as MZ is, and I do read the site regularly, the success of Mozilla and its offshoots is directly related to its users. Deliberately antagonising pro-Mozilla elements is not the way to advocate the project, and only seeks to reinforce the opinion's of those who seek to oppose Mozilla by claiming its proponents are nothing more then zealots.

Besides the issue is :- if that is how we treat our friends, why be friends with us?

As I see it, Virtual folders can transcend "real" folders in that messages can be lumped together from various sources into one "virtual" folder,

So what! Get over it!! Call a spade a spade! If his writing is worthless, tell it like it is. The author should just take it on the chin and use this criticism to better themselves. I realize there is a line, when you can be too mean, but I don't think MZ crossed it.

Gmail and Opera both have a label feature where it doesn't matter where they are in the mail store. Are virtual folders kind of like this.

Katz & Hotspur: On-Topic comments all of the time online. Offline? Don't Ask.

--Sam Katz

Have you ever done advocacy before... obviously not.

If you admit that the comment was unsuitable why not put "We apologise for any offence"

weird to see how people who speak english tend to forget 70% of the people on this world speak another language. respect please.