Mozilla Firefox 0.9 Release Candidate Available

Wednesday June 9th, 2004

Ben Goodger writes: "A testing candidate of Mozilla Firefox 0.9 is now available from There are a couple more bugs we'd like to fix for the 0.9 release but want to get as much feedback on the app in general before we go out. Please download this build and test with it and report any show stopping bugs that you find. We are still looking to do a 0.9 final sometime Monday." Builds can be found on the FTP site.

#102 Is this constructive?

by aquarichy <>

Wednesday June 9th, 2004 4:51 PM

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First, Qute can now be found at <>

~Observations and Opinion~ In Arvid's revelatory post of Ben's correspondence with him, he adds as commentary that if Ben had said it was necessary, Arvid would have complied with their licensing wishes. Ben's consequent rebuttal to the revelation includes the comment that he is reluctant to work with someone who unprofessionally posts such non-public correspondence. Arvid however has invested a great deal of himself into Qute as Firefox's default theme, and has had that work secretly usurped without having an opportunity to preserve it. I say secretly usurped because his work is under complete replacement, and this seems to have taken him by surprise.

It has been more unprofessional of Ben to avoid Arvid and go ahead and initiate work on a new theme without first explicitly seeking a compromise from him in licensing.

The other point, about consistency across platforms. Having been the default theme creator and maintainer until now, it is proper that Arvid should have been involved in the creation of any new theme or theme direction instead of being worked around. Ben acted appears to have acted no where in good faith and in some ways deceitfully.

Ben has requested constructive criticism. He refuses to take comments on his public blog on the issue, since he deems the flood of complaints thoroughly unconstructive. He writes that a project relies on strong leadership. Does strong leadership mean ignoring everyone who you are working on behalf of and expecting them to abide one person's unpopular decision and live with it? The volume of complaints seem very constructive. If licensing was a serious issue, and the public were ignoring it, then it might be wise to ignore the public. However, the public have a reason to ignore the licensing issue in this case, since according to Arvid, it did not have to be an issue.

~Suggestion for MozillaZine~ So, I was wondering if MozillaZine will hold a poll regarding the themes and perhaps the reasons people might choose one over the other. Also, it would be nice to read an article about the new theme explaining what the problem was with the old one, why the change was made, why people dislike it, and where they can find Qute if they still want it. It would be nice to have Arvid's and Ben's tempered opinions as well.

~Suggestions for Following the *instripe convention, would not it be more appropriate for the GNOME localised theme to be called Linstripe? Or does this offend too many KDE and other non-GNOME users? Perhaps it raises too many unpleasant memories of Lindows/Linspire?

Also, the new key for the download menu, ctrl y, is hard to execute with one hand for those with non-large hands. Some people have suggested ctrl d, and the most frequent issue with that is that it is long established as the 'add bookmark' key. I do not see why such tradition should get in the way presently if fundamental and controversial change is already going to happen (that is, the change of default theme). With people already angry, this would be the optimal time to give ctrl d to the download and find 'add bookmark' a new home. The bookmark sidebar already uses both ctrl b and ctrl i . . . and since adding bookmarks is not an eternal activity (one only needs to bookmark a page about once, and there are a finite (though growing) number of pages) while checking your downloads is potentially limitless (until one dies), it would be more convenient to have downloads at the more convenient and more logical ctrl d, and add bookmark at ctrl i (or something).

~Suggestions to the Winstripe artists~ The large icons in winstripe are so small that they seem distant and solitary and alone. This might also be an effect of the depth perspective of the back and forward arrows. I find this disturbing and unpleasant. Would you be able to create a more secure and comfortable feeling, perhaps by bringing the icons nearer each other or making their images large enough so they seem closer?

~Bugs~ When changing themes, I suffer significant dataloss, in that all the pages I had open go blank, though their icons in the tabs remain.

~Compliments~ When I installed 0.9, all my bookmarks, autocomplete, etc were still in tact. Kudos. Also, I finally found the stand-alone Qute (linked above) and quite enjoy its improvements, particularly the new tab button, but also very much the colour-consistent home button.