Web Hypertext Application Technology Working Group Launches Mailing List

Friday June 4th, 2004

Ian Hickson writes: "Some of you may be interested to hear that people from Opera and Mozilla have set up an open mailing list for discussing Web Forms 2 and other new specs that have been discussed in various places over the last few months."

The list is the public forum of the newly-formed Web Hypertext Application Technology Working Group, an organisation made of contributors from several major Web browser development teams. Current invited members are Brendan Eich, David Baron, David Hyatt, Håkon Wium Lie, Ian Hickson, Johnny Stenback and Maciej Stachowiak.

The group is working on specifications for Web Forms 2.0, Web Apps 1.0, Web Controls 1.0 and a CSS object rendering model. This work will be largely done outside of the World Wide Web Consortium, though finalised versions of the specs are expected to be submitted for formal standardisation. While the decision to operate independently of the W3C may be seen as controversial, many feel that formal standards bodies move too slowly to react to proprietary technologies such as Microsoft's forthcoming XAML. In addition, many in the W3C are pushing for Web applications standards based on technologies such as XForms and Scalable Vector Graphics, whereas the members of the WHATWG favour backwards-compatible HTML-based solutions, which they believe would be easier to implement and more likely to be adopted by Web developers.

#40 Re: Re: Re: Disappointing news, IMO

by mlefevre

Tuesday June 8th, 2004 7:32 AM

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"It's entirely possible that XHTML2 will be supported in future Microsoft browsers (operating systems)."

Maybe it's possible, but it's not probable. It certainly isn't going to happen on anything less than longhorn, and Microsoft's intentions for that are HTML4+XAML, at least initially. XHTML 2 isn't supported by anyone yet. As you say, we are living in a world where the major browser doesn't support XHTML served using the correct MIME type - you can't just put that aside, it's a reality and based on the history, it's not likely to change.

"Should that come to pass (and assuming Mozilla etc. also have support), then give it a few years and people may well start using it."

If that came to pass, and assuming others had support, then yes. But that's not the real world, and by all accounts from people that know far more than I do, it's not going to become a reality, even if Mozilla goes down that road.

You say software issues aren't hard to fix. Actually writing the program code may not be too hard, but that's not the hard part - getting that software in the hands of all authors and users means either convincing a huge number of people to switch software, or convincing the likes of Microsoft, Adobe, etc that they should make the changes to their software.