Web Hypertext Application Technology Working Group Launches Mailing List

Friday June 4th, 2004

Ian Hickson writes: "Some of you may be interested to hear that people from Opera and Mozilla have set up an open mailing list for discussing Web Forms 2 and other new specs that have been discussed in various places over the last few months."

The list is the public forum of the newly-formed Web Hypertext Application Technology Working Group, an organisation made of contributors from several major Web browser development teams. Current invited members are Brendan Eich, David Baron, David Hyatt, Håkon Wium Lie, Ian Hickson, Johnny Stenback and Maciej Stachowiak.

The group is working on specifications for Web Forms 2.0, Web Apps 1.0, Web Controls 1.0 and a CSS object rendering model. This work will be largely done outside of the World Wide Web Consortium, though finalised versions of the specs are expected to be submitted for formal standardisation. While the decision to operate independently of the W3C may be seen as controversial, many feel that formal standards bodies move too slowly to react to proprietary technologies such as Microsoft's forthcoming XAML. In addition, many in the W3C are pushing for Web applications standards based on technologies such as XForms and Scalable Vector Graphics, whereas the members of the WHATWG favour backwards-compatible HTML-based solutions, which they believe would be easier to implement and more likely to be adopted by Web developers.

#24 Re: Re: When will they ever learn?

by Grauw

Sunday June 6th, 2004 12:24 PM

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Note that Longhorn is still a few years away. Incubation time then adds another couple of years. So that adds up to 4 years, at least. But, indeed, time is still limited, so that's why this WHATWG is very nice as it moves (or is supposed to move) much faster than the W3C.

And no offense to the W3C, but I agree with buff to some extent in that it really *is* astonashingly difficult to make layouts like a common 3-column layout with header and footer. And it's not IE compatibility that's a pain here, even when doing it in Firefox it is difficult to find a clean method. OTOH, there are some very nice parts in CSS(3) that I'd very much like to see implemented in browsers today :). So some inventive input coming straight from a 'vacuum' would also still be appreciated... ^_^