Mozilla Foundation and Opera Software Describe Joint Vision for Web Application Framework

Tuesday May 25th, 2004

The Mozilla Foundation and Opera Software have published a paper outlining their vision for Web applications. The paper, submitted in preparation for next week's W3C Workshop on Web Applications and Compound Documents, describes a device-independent Web application framework based on HTML and backwards-compatible with existing Web content. The two organisations are keen to get parts of this framework in place soon to prevent a single-vendor solution (see Microsoft's position paper) becoming dominant. Co-author Ian "Hixie" Hickson's provides more insight in a recent weblog post on the matter.

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by chrisc

Wednesday May 26th, 2004 9:51 AM

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I'd say more an 'Outlook' than a 'Mentality'. I think it's just a conflict between different peoples views of what constitutes an 'Application' - you start at basic controls, basic IO (whether file or network based) and building event driven apps, pretty soon after that you find you have a monolithic app and want to split stuff out, have libraries, build custom controls etc. All I'm saying is you're always going to need flexibility and scope from a platform if you're apps are going to do much more than collect information on a form. I'd say SVG is much more flexible (in terms of device-independence) than JPG or GIF.

Ultimately the question is should graphical elements be used to convey information and functionality? If the goal is device-independance then I think that was lost a long time ago but the argument of using only further extensions to HTML is great, if that's the constraint to be imposed and it means quick and complete adoption. Meanwhile people will still be building graph applets, flash movies etc to convey visual information because the standard 'Web Application Framework' won't really do pictures. Basically there's not enough 'Application' functionality there for me, but with SVG it would be a few miles further down the road. I know it's not easy to implement and I know there's little chance of IE implementing it but that doesn't mean it's not a robust standard.

I guess I'll just wait for Avalon then, since no-one else is willing to put together what I need..