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Shock as Microsoft Evangelist Robert Scoble Recommends Microsoft Technologies

Monday May 10th, 2004

Much has been made in recent days about Microsoft evangelist Robert Scoble and his comments about how Mozilla can take advantage of the new technologies introduced in Longhorn, the next major version of Windows. Scoble's thoughts on how Mozilla Firefox could be enhanced via features such as Avalon, Longhorn's new graphics layer, and WinFS, the enhanced file storage system, prompted InternetNews to conduct a follow-up interview, sparked a discussion at Slashdot and caused MozillaNews to quote almost enough to stretch the definition of fair use.

Which is interesting, as nothing Scoble said was particularly surprising. The fact that a Microsoft employee even mentioned Mozilla was a shock to some but it should be noted that Scoble, who was an established member of the weblogging community long before taking a job at Microsoft, was speaking for himself and not Redmond. Furthermore, Microsoft have recently started encouraging their employees to maintain weblogs, launching initiatives such as blogs.msdn.com and Channel 9. In addition, while some media outlets reported that Scoble was offering advice to Mozilla, in reality he simply was recommending technologies whose widespread adoption would benefit Microsoft. At its core, this is a simply case of a Microsoft evangelist evangelising Microsoft. Nothing particularly surprising about that.

So far, the reaction from the Mozilla camp has been cool. While some features like WinFS and Avalon may be embraced in time, any evaluation is unlikely to take place until much closer to Longhorn's release. Meanwhile, technologies such as XAML (which, to be fair, Scoble is not advocating Mozilla adopt), have been met with outright hostility, with leading Mozilla figures viewing the proprietary XML user interface language as a threat to the freedom and interoperability of the Web.


#42 Re: Re: Re: What is going on with MozillaZine?!

by AlexBishop <alex@mozillazine.org>

Wednesday May 12th, 2004 4:29 PM

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"And yes C|Net and slashdot are biased sometimes, but as I stated and Jugular noted, I don't mind that because they report both sides of the story."

If they report both sides of the story, then how are they biased?

"Remember the Eolas patent crap? I submitted a news story to you guys about it, and you ignored my item, but if I remember right you eventually did post an item about it a few weeks later. Meanwhile, in the rest of the IT news world, this story is absolutely on fire! Microsoft even went so far as to host a meeting with all the top browser industry companies to deal with the issue. But MozillaZine ignores this issue, even though Eolas had a patent that could potentially bring Mozilla to its knees (thankfully, the patent is now invalidated, as I believe you reported). Was this a case of ignoring bad news?"

We didn't ignore your submission, we evaluated it and decided not to report on it. We're a Mozilla news site and the patent case did not directly affect Mozilla. We ran an article when the Mozilla Foundation issued a statement. I don't recall Micrsoft hosting a meeting with the top browser companies but the W3C did have a discussion. I don't think the patenet has been totally invalidated yet but it looks likely.

"I used to submit news, all the time. About 1 out of the 10 posts I submitted got posted. I can totally understand that you guys can't post every news item that you receive. But I ask myself, if MozillaZine only posts 0-3 items a day, then why can't they post more items from their readers?"

Not everything submitted is relevant or interesting enough.

"However, I also understand how easy it is to run a website after all the work is done and all you have to do is maintain it. Not anywhere near the task of developing an entire E-Commerce website from the ground up, which is the kind of stuff I do for a living."

I really think that depends on the site. An ecommerce site may not require much maintainence when it's up and running; a news site, by definition requires a supply of news. The 5,000 or so articles MozillaZine has run in the last five-and-a-half years required much more work than developing the site in the first place.

"Here is a list of websites I've worked on: <<http://www.hteh.com/> (I used to be their full time webmaster) <http://www.idiclear.com/> (I did a lot of design work here, but I think the company may be out of business now) <http://www.pflpowertraining.com/> (I built the entire backend for this site by myself) <http://www.techfeed.net/> (my blog)"

Have a cookie.

"My final word. I'm sorry if I ruffled any feathers, but I think I have a legitimate reason to complain."

You can complain about whatever you like. We're not in the habit of supressing criticism. Some sites wold have deleted your posts.

"Like I said in my original post, I do enjoy reading MozillaZine, and do so every day. I just wish it were a little better."

So do I. Working on it.

Alex