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Monday April 5th, 1999

Several readers brought to our attention an interesting project being developed using the Mozilla code. Athena Design, located in San Francisco but with developers throughout the US, has developed an intriguing proof-of-concept for "Dynamic DOM Rewriting". What is DDR? Click "Full Article" below to read an interview we conducted with Athena Design's CTO, David Pollak.

If you feel that DDR is important, contribute to the conversation in the layout newsgroup. Read the article to find out more.

#22 Re:Innovations from Athena Design and Mozilla

by Kovu <>

Thursday April 8th, 1999 8:44 PM

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Nobody defended Netscape. But I'M sick of people defending Microsoft. Anything good they do is ruined by their evil tactics and it is hard to give them credit for ANYTHING. Prick #@$@#$# Steve Ballmer screaming "WHAT THE WORLD NEEDS IS MORE, MORE, MORE, MORE WINDOWS!!." and Gates asking AOL how much he could pay them to screw Netscape. I honestly don't care what the hell they do. When they don't have competition they don't have any incentive to do anything right.

And superior to NS 4 IE may be in SOME WAYS, but superior to NS 5 it most definitely will NOT be. I don't care how bad they fucked up, they eventually made the decision FINALLY to can the old code and go with the Moz AT THE EXPENSE OF RELEASING 5.0 EARLIER THAN IE5. Why you or JWZ thinks WHINING about it now does any good is beyond me. Who cares what they DID it's what they're DOING.

And actually, Office2000 doesn't do that much more that I need than Office 97 and Frontpage 98, which I choose to use over 2000 because it does everything I need it to and it fits on TWO CDs and takes five minutes to install both. It certainly doesn't do anything worth SEVEN CDs and more than a half an hour to install--and uninstall.

And YES, Windows is BLOATED. I don't want to be able to surf the web from my Windows Explorer. It is not an OS function, not a function I want, and I can't get rid of it because fucking with Windows is like slitting your own tires. They make everything unnecesarily complicated so that you have to pay THEIR sorry asses to fix it. And WORSE, they don't even make sure their software is DONE before they ship it. They throw something out, let everybody else find the bugs, and then release a service pack six months later.

Sorry, I use MS products for now while I have to, and they have some good programmers and YES, even some good programs. But if they don't want to be ignored they can FEEL FREE TO CONTRIBUTE TO MOZILLA. They'll certainly make use of it after it comes out, and try to patent it at that, I bet.

If you want to harp on Netscape's past mistakes, fine. It's their future that matters.