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Tuesday April 6th, 2004

jgraham writes: "Brendan Eich has written an interesting post to the netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey newsgroup outlining some of the plans being made to ensure that Mozilla technology remains useful and relevant in the future. Brendan sees Mozilla developing into an open cross-platform alternative to forthcoming Microsoft technologies such as XAML and is looking to collaborate with other open-source projects to make this happen." The GNOME project is mentioned explicitly. Brendan's message is part of a longer thread about the goals of mozilla.org.


#6 The XUL Naming Debate Is Over

by geraldb

Tuesday April 6th, 2004 11:53 PM

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> It's confusing to everybody and more of a headache than it's worth.

Well, XUL/XUI/XAML/UML/WML/etc. it's all the same. Whatever acronym you pick someone will always complain. Please get over it. The debate is over and the world has moved on. I have spent more than my fair share to listen to your silly arguments. See <http://xul.sourceforge.ne…nguage_trademarkable.html> for example or browse the xul-talk mailinglist archives online @ <//www.mail-archive.com/xul-talk@lists.sourceforge.net>" rel="nofollow"><http://www.mail-archive.c…<alk@lists.sourceforge.net>>

> Then Mozilla can join your "Alliance".

Well, isn't it ironic that a dozen project leads take part in the XUL Grand Coding Challenge 2004 but Mozilla is missing? Who is the loner here if I dare to say. See <http://xul.sourceforge.ne…invitation_last_call.html> for details.

> It's much more significant that Mozilla is working with a standards body to get a spec out for XUL. See Hixie's natural log (blog).

You seem to be new to the XUL discussion. Please read up on what Hixie has said about XUL, Mozilla and standards on the xul-talk mailinglist. Also note that Mozilla has no interest in working with standards body to get a spec out for XUL. Nor has the W3C any interest for obvious reasons. Also note that before you hand a spec over to a standards body wouldn't it make sense to drum up support from other browser vendors or projects? Do you truly believe you will get any buy-in from Microsoft, Apple or Sun for example? Also if you haven't noticed it the point of open standards is to avoid vendor lock-in and offer choice. If XUL were a W3C standard, how could it be a Mozilla-only trademark? Please explain. Also note that Hixie himself works on a new spec that will compete with Mozilla XUL. Look for Web Application Markup Language.

Finally, what about W3C XForms? Why is Mozilla ignoring the W3C recommendation/standard for web forms? Can you explain.