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Full Article Attached Mozilla Looking to Forge Alliances with GNOME and Other Open Source Projects to Combat Longhorn

Tuesday April 6th, 2004

jgraham writes: "Brendan Eich has written an interesting post to the netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey newsgroup outlining some of the plans being made to ensure that Mozilla technology remains useful and relevant in the future. Brendan sees Mozilla developing into an open cross-platform alternative to forthcoming Microsoft technologies such as XAML and is looking to collaborate with other open-source projects to make this happen." The GNOME project is mentioned explicitly. Brendan's message is part of a longer thread about the goals of mozilla.org.


#47 Nooo! (disconnected rants)

by jensend <jensend@iname.com>

Wednesday April 7th, 2004 12:55 PM

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Mozilla + C# Gnome= worst of both worlds, overengineering to the max, "hello world" requiring 1GB of libraries, fancy effects at the expense of basic functionality, every library wrapping every other one, API definitions larger than the Library of Congress, and user hostility touted as user friendliness (even in current Gnome versions, a prevailing message to users who want to do more than "launch The Internet" but don't write new RPC protocols for fun or XML parsers in their sleep is "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't let you do that").

What's seen in the sweeping "mozilla the platform" vision seems to me to be a mirage. Wasn't the roadmap shift last year all about realizing that people are interested in a slim browser and rendering library, not an overambitious try at a fully buzzword-compliant comprehensive development platform?

I was once a Gnome fan, but I've been disappointed with Gnome because their strategy for some time - conjuring up frameworks of frameworks of frameworks and tilting at usability windmills- has alienated developers and users alike, and the only reason they're surviving is because of the influence and power the conjurers-up of its ground-up architectonic hold in the linux community and the pervasive illusion that this process amounts to increasing "enterprise readiness". This is not a stable situation.

Instead of trying to out-Microsoft Microsoft, trying to counter their vision with an equivalent one, why not provide a better alternative vision with simplicity and power?