Downloadable Chrome News

Sunday March 28th, 1999

Two news items for those interested in Mozilla's "Downloadable Chrome". First, David Hyatt has posted to his first draft at the downloadable / configurable chrome spec.

Second, Steve Morrison has announced the creation of his "XUL Tool" site. Steve's site is a repository for Mozilla themes, and soon you will be able to create your own theme via a simple HTML interface.

#16 Re:Downloadable Chrome News

by SomeSmartAss <>

Tuesday March 30th, 1999 8:00 AM

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It called a **User** Interface for a reason. It's because it is what the end user uses to navigate with the web. It is NOT the play thing of some witty (or more usually half-witty) page designer.

I design site, and I also design end user interfaces for corperate clients (Oracle forms/VB stuff) I get more flack about where a button/text feild/menu Item goes, and how it works than anything else (huge HEATED debates).

The majority of USERS (not designers) don't want a consistantly changuing chrome!!! it confuses them, and in some cases, scares the crap out of people. If they want to download your chrome, they will. If they want to try your chrome, they will follow the link. You force them, through javascript, to endure the jamming of your chome down their throat, they will never come to your site again, they will tell their friends never to go to your site, and they will flame you, telling you why they will never go to your site. They will probably also stop using a browser that allows the horendous "feature" (I being one of the latter)

Why is so important to you to suddenly have to change the chrome!!! Isn't page content enough. I already sit through more than my fair share of Java Craplets that do nothing that a gif-animation/JavaScript mouse-over could do. I realy don't (and I said this before) want to have to figure out if the Wookie head means back or reload.

BTW. Disney won't want to do this type of browser hyjacking (and that's exactly what it is, hyjacking). This because Disney has a marketing department that says that a large percentage of their audience are familys who just bought a computer "for their kids". These people live in fear of those (non-existant) nasty "don't open e-mails entitled ..." viruses that'll wipe out there hard drive just cause you looked at them. The marketing department will tell them that hyjacking the chrome would be viewed as invasive and confusing to these newbies. Marketing will also tell them that hhyjacking will be viewed as invasive and HIGHLY agrivating by a lot of power-users.

We designers have been given a very powerful tool here, don't shoot yourselves in the foot by demanding too much power.

a browser that allows me to change chrome is cool. a browser that allows site-designers to force chrome change is NOT cool. its evil and it will never be accepted by the mainstream, no matter how small/fast/compliant it is.

Stop thinking with the "uhhh..HHeHHeHHE.. this is the Coolest thing I have ever seen. uhhh..HHeHHeHHE../Look Ma NO HANDS" part of your brain and look at it from a non "web-designer on an ego-trip" perspective.