'Houston Chronicle' Raves About Easy, Fun, Fast, Safe, Free Mozilla Firefox

Saturday March 13th, 2004

The Houston Chronicle has an article about Mozilla Firefox, describing the browser as "easy, fun, fast, safe, free". The report highlights Firefox's popup blocking, tabbed browsing, integrated Google search, extensions, download manager, speed and privacy options. Thanks to tityre for telling us about this article.

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by bzbarsky

Sunday March 14th, 2004 5:37 PM

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> it is NOT a 'display' bug because the page renders with CSS when the CSS has downloaded

Unless the page positions boxes via Javascript based on computed positions of other boxes. In that case, since the JS may run before the CSS has downloaded, the boxes will end up mispositioned. See hyatt's blog about the problems he ran into with this.

Now this does not break a W3C recommendation, since there is no W3C recommendation that requires CSS to be loaded at all. But it _does_ break actual real-world popular sites. Which, all else being equal, makes it a bug.

> Your criticism is therefore very misleading as you complain about one link yet ignore the Eric Meyer reference > completely.

My criticism applies to every single test involved. See Eric Myer's recent posts to <> for his opinion of his own tests. It's not very flattering; he's stopped maintaining them for a reason. PPK's tests are even more limited than Eric's and even less indicative of anything.

I admit that I somewhat misread what you say about the DHTML test. But note that you don't address the problem of interaction with the browser UI and window manager. For example, Mozilla used to be about 10 times as fast on the window.status test, when we updated the status asynchronously. As a result, we would only paint the statusbar every 10 updates or so, which was a hell of a lot faster than painting it every update (as we do now, since it leads to a better user experience). Opera doesn't seem to change the status at all (in part because it's not even showing a status bar) during this test. That's about 20 seconds time difference right there (on my machine, Mozilla takes about 25 seconds or about 2 seconds if I disable status bar updates in preferences; Opera takes those same 2 seconds, and as I said it's not updating the status bar).