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Lockergnome Writer Switches to Mozilla Thunderbird

Tuesday March 2nd, 2004

Patrick writes: "Matt Hartley (of Lockergnome) posted an almost glowing review of Thunderbird, and explained why he's thrown off Outlook XP and switched to it as his primary e-mail program (still using Outlook for calendar, as the Calendar extention in TBird doesn't sync with his PDA)."


#1 Firebird?

by CeleronXL

Tuesday March 2nd, 2004 5:31 PM

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He referred to it as Firebird..?

"I decided right there and then that I wanted an e-mail program that would fit my needs. I decided to see what improvements have been made with Mozilla's Firebird. So I downloaded it and installed it with no problem at all."

#5 Re: Firebird?

by johnlar <johnlar@tfn.net>

Wednesday March 3rd, 2004 4:39 AM

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Looks like he corrected it.

#2 Well...

by Squire72

Tuesday March 2nd, 2004 6:01 PM

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looks like a typo (the FB thing) or a missed synaptic moment *lol* but overall it's a decent review :)

#3 Same here :-)

by Jugalator

Tuesday March 2nd, 2004 11:14 PM

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I didn't stop using Outlook XP, but the more recent Outlook 2003. All I found new and "innovative" was the new three column layout, i.e. "Mail Folders | Mail List | Mail Preview". But Thunderbird had that too, and more, like a powreful spam filter. With Microsoft's pace at improving their client in new versions, they'll have a bayesian filter in Outlook 2010 or something... :-P

#6 Re: Same here :-)

by AlexBishop <alex@mozillazine.org>

Wednesday March 3rd, 2004 5:01 AM

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"I didn't stop using Outlook XP, but the more recent Outlook 2003. All I found new and 'innovative' was the new three column layout, i.e. 'Mail Folders | Mail List | Mail Preview'. But Thunderbird had that too"

To be fair, Outlook had it first.

Alex

#15 Re: Re: Same here :-)

by erik <erik@eae.net>

Wednesday March 3rd, 2004 9:29 AM

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Don't you mean Outlook Express? I'm not sure whether Microsoft Mail and News (OE3) had it but OE4 did.

#4 Two things Mozilla needs to surpass Outlook...

by bmacfarland

Wednesday March 3rd, 2004 4:29 AM

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I am able to ditch Outlook to a large degree (and do on my home, but not at the office), but for a couple of simple things. One was mentioned - the ability to sync with some common devices. Palm and PocketPC together have a lot of people's calendars and address books in it. It would be excellent to be able to sync these all together. I'll even go one step further and add Hotmail and Yahoo accounts to the mix. If you can somehow provide a method for syncing with those online, you've really got something clout with a lot of users. And for those of you that say that Palm does sync the address book, you are probably correct -- I haven't tried it since it wiped my Palm clean and took over the Palm Desktop a little while ago. It probably has evolved some in past year though, so I really should give this another go.

Secondly, the e-mail client should be able to be tied to the address book and calendar programs. It doesn't have to be by default, but if I have them all installed they should know how to talk to eachother. I'm usually not in favor in suites of software, but this is one case when 1+1+1 = 4. It's very handy to e-mail meetings and have them go into the calendar. It's something I can't really do without because my collegues would wonder why I've stopped showing up at meetings.

Lastly, (oops did I say 2 things? ;) ), I would love a way to export my Thunderbird e-mail. I tried to move my mail from one machine's Thunderbird to another machine's and I ended up giving up after an hour. I think it should have been a simple thing, and it probably was, but I couldn't just copy the mail folders as whatever documentation I could find would state.

I think all these things are coming in time, and I can't wait until they do. It would finally give people a choice about the software (and in a many cases) the operating system they want to run.

#10 Re: Two things Mozilla needs to surpass Outlook...

by Malc

Wednesday March 3rd, 2004 5:42 AM

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What, you can't just copy the files? It's in a standard mbox format. At the very worst, recreate the folders on the target machine, quit the app, and then overwrite the files.

#11 Re: Re: Two things Mozilla needs to surpass Outloo

by Waldo_2

Wednesday March 3rd, 2004 6:21 AM

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You probably can copy the files, but the exporting mechanism/UI isn't particularly polished in my opinion.

#16 Re: Re: Two things Mozilla needs to surpass Outloo

by bmacfarland

Wednesday March 3rd, 2004 11:05 AM

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I couldn't. I tried and it didn't seem to give me access to the files themselves (or copies of them) even when I wasn't using Thunderbird. Like I said, I was probably doing something wrong, but in any event it wasn't as simple as selecting export from a menu and getting choice of formats to export to. Also it wasn't exactly certain where the mail was being stored. Was it in the hidden Application Data area or was it in Program Files/Thunderbird directory? Hard to say where mail itself is stored in Windows.

#23 Re: Re: Re: Two things Mozilla needs to surpass Ou

by bushe

Tuesday March 29th, 2005 2:05 PM

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Did you ever figure out how to do this? In the past, when I travelled, I downloaded email onto my laptop and kept the emails I wanted to deal with later in a special folder and then just copied that into the mail folder on my main desktop. But when I try to do that with Thunderbird 1.0 I get "access denied" message.

#19 Re: Two things Mozilla needs to surpass Outlook...

by PhilScott

Thursday March 4th, 2004 9:46 AM

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Yahoo mail supports POP3 access, see the "POP Access and Forwarding" section in "Mail Options" (top right-hand corner after logging into Y! mail). As for Hotmail, they don't allow anything like that so a program such as Hotmail Popper (<http://www.boolean.ca/hotpop/>, free 100-message trial) has to download it and act as a POP3/SMTP server locally. As always, there are free programs that do this for Linux. A quick search of the Gentoo Linux package database turned up Gotmail (<http://www.nongnu.org/gotmail/>, says there's a Win32 version but I couldn't see it..) and hotwayd (<http://hotwayd.sourceforge.net/>). As I dual-boot and share mail between Gentoo and WinXP, I just found it easier to bookmark my inbox.

#20 Re: Two things Mozilla needs to surpass Outlook

by bmacfarland

Thursday March 4th, 2004 3:13 PM

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Good points about Yahoo and Hotmail, both are paying options though. I was thinking of a kind of eprompter (for Windows) extension that can work with many different accounts (and it's free). And I wasn't exactly talking about just getting mail from those accounts, but also syncing up an address book, and calendar information (all of which are in Yahoo, but I'm not sure if they are all in Hotmail.) I'm really just using Yahoo and Hotmail as examples of a networked service that can contain all the types of information.

#21 Re: Two things Mozilla needs to surpass Outlook...

by quien_sabe

Monday March 8th, 2004 9:19 AM

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Well I certainly agree with the the calendar tie-in. Hopefully some of the forthcomening groupware programs will be open enough that plugins will for Thunderbird will allow access. Until that time, I recently found a web-based groupware/calendar/task/project manager application that is meeting those needs wonderfully for me at the moment. If you need an integration of sorts as a stop-gap, do take a moment to check out <http://www.egroupware.org.>

#7 The art of telepathy

by neilparks1

Wednesday March 3rd, 2004 5:15 AM

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[quote]You might be thinking to yourself, "Why Matt, MS Office products are rock solid. How could you possibly have any issues ..."[/quote]

Thinking to myself? To whom else? If you have somehow managed to discover the secret of thinking to someone other than yourself, please clue me in.

#12 Re: The art of telepathy

by WillyWonka

Wednesday March 3rd, 2004 6:52 AM

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I know you can read my thoughts boy. Meow meow meow meow. Meow meow meow meow. Meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow.

#17 Reply

by napolj2

Wednesday March 3rd, 2004 11:30 PM

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You have to use MRML, the Mind Reading Markup Language. <http://www.jonzer.com/mrml.htm>. Now THAT would make for a great Mozilla extension, a sure IE killer.

#8 Two things Mozilla needs to surpass Outlook...

by bmacfarland

Wednesday March 3rd, 2004 5:36 AM

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I am able to ditch Outlook to a large degree (and do on my home, but not at the office), but for a couple of simple things. One was mentioned - the ability to sync with some common devices. Palm and PocketPC together have a lot of people's calendars and address books in it. It would be excellent to be able to sync these all together. I'll even go one step further and add Hotmail and Yahoo accounts to the mix. If you can somehow provide a method for syncing with those online, you've really got something clout with a lot of users. And for those of you that say that Palm does sync the address book, you are probably correct -- I haven't tried it since it wiped my Palm clean and took over the Palm Desktop a little while ago. It probably has evolved some in past year though, so I really should give this another go.

Secondly, the e-mail client should be able to be tied to the address book and calendar programs. It doesn't have to be by default, but if I have them all installed they should know how to talk to eachother. I'm usually not in favor in suites of software, but this is one case when 1+1+1 = 4. It's very handy to e-mail meetings and have them go into the calendar. It's something I can't really do without because my collegues would wonder why I've stopped showing up at meetings.

Lastly, (oops did I say 2 things? ;) ), I would love a way to export my Thunderbird e-mail. I tried to move my mail from one machine's Thunderbird to another machine's and I ended up giving up after an hour. I think it should have been a simple thing, and it probably was, but I couldn't just copy the mail folders as whatever documentation I could find would state.

I think all these things are coming in time, and I can't wait until they do. It would finally give people a choice about the software (and in a many cases) the operating system they want to run.

#9 sorry about the double post.

by bmacfarland

Wednesday March 3rd, 2004 5:37 AM

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Darn refresh button.

#13 Thunderbird has limitations still...

by buff

Wednesday March 3rd, 2004 7:59 AM

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Thunderbird is a nice email application. Can't use it at work though since it doesn't connect with Exchange Server. Also it doesn't support Outlook scheduling with Calendar features. The Mozilla Calendar project is coming along but the lack of Exchange server support in that application will also make it impossible for corporations to adopt. When all these features are supported then I could switch while at work until then I must continue with Outlook regrettably.

#14 Re: Thunderbird has limitations still...

by zookqvalem

Wednesday March 3rd, 2004 8:34 AM

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Same here... Last week, my company switch to Outlook 2003. Argh!!! What a nightmare with more decoration stuffs on it and some enhancements... Can't go back to Outlook 2000 and the Exchange from year 1998 was migrated to Exchange to 2003 as well. To make the matter worse, many of the old Thunderbird/Moz Mail-News bugs still exists for a couple of years now. Can't stand the character problems with the folders and mails...

Zook

#18 Three pane view is evil

by morg

Thursday March 4th, 2004 7:58 AM

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I hate the three pane view of Outlook, Outlook Express, Thunderbird, and other e-mail clients.

I hate it! I hate it!

Right now Thunderbird is too slow, but it is going to get faster as we get closer to 1.0. If Thunderbird had an option to create a non-three pane view, then I would switch to Thunderbird from Pegasus.

Let's not just copy Outlook. Let's surpass it.

#22 Just wishing...

by ifLogic

Monday June 28th, 2004 7:18 PM

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Although there are plenty of posts that suggest you can import ThunderBird's mail into other email clients (because its mbox format), I have yet to succeed with any other email client. Eudora wont recognize them, Outlook (Express or otherwise) doesn't have a clue, Incredamail gets lost, Mailcommander doesn't recognize the file format, Intelligent Mail Box lacks the where with all to even get to the point of figuring out how to import anything let alone actual mail. If I was a bit better at programming I'd just write a nice little quick converter to convert the ThunderBird mail files to TAB or Comma delimited, or even (sorry) MS Access Jet Data.

Still wishing...

#24 How do I copy mail folders from laptop to desktop?

by bushe

Tuesday March 29th, 2005 2:14 PM

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Just started using TB 1.0 as replacement for Netscape 4.7, which was starting to not be able to read too many messages. In the past, when I travelled, I used a laptop to do my email and any email I wanted to keep I put into a special folder. When I got home I copied that folder into the mail directory on my desktop. When I try to do this with TB I get "access denied - the file is either read only or currently in use". I have gone into properties and unclicked "read only" for those folders I want to copy and replace but it has no effect - it appears to uncheck it but when I open properties again it is checked as read only again??

In Mozilla's knowledge base I found this: "If you want to transfer a mail file to another Mozilla profile or another installation of Mozilla, simply put the mail file into the other installation's Mail folder". It seems to say take a specific email from my laptop and transer it to the folder on my desktop but I have no idea how to do that short of re-emailing it to myself.