The Web Standards Project Skewers IE5

Friday March 19th, 1999

IE5 is "an opportunity lost", according to the Web Standards Project. The WSP, you may recall, recently claimed responsibility for moving towards an NGLayout based engine for Mozilla 5.

MozillaZine has been claiming for months that IE5 wouldn't be standards compliant (and we wish we had wagered money on it). It was obvious from articles regarding IE5, and from appearances at developer meetings by Microsoft executives that they were planning to ship IE5 whether they were compliant or not. They refused to commit when asked to, and fell back on the excuse of tight shipping schedules.

In other news, another developer's release of Mozilla is tentatively scheduled for the end of the month, so check back for updates.

Thanks to Derick Phillips for the WSP news.

#22 Re:The Web Standards Project Skewers IE5

by Mark Wilson

Monday March 22nd, 1999 5:41 PM

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zontar, I think it is sad that you are encouraging the lfaming of "naysayers". It would be healthier to encourage free thinking and constructive engagement. If your website only promotes similar thinking, your readers will never grow.

For the final time, here is what I am saying: I do not condone the MS approach to business. I do not condone what they have done to many many companies. I do not wish to be seen to support their over-agressiveness. However, NS ruled the roost on the web and they have lost the plot so badly that they have been bought by another company and are thinking of laying off 20-30% of the employees.

So, both companies have made mistakes. However, one of them is still growing and achieving greater and greater returns. Let's look at the fact people. If you could be brave enough to wonder why they are growing like this, you would see that they take each and every industry or technology which they want to have succeed in - such as the internet, then they carve it up into its parts (browsers, developers, websites, portals, training and certification, intranets, servers( and then each one of those are still further craved up (thus developers are carved up into components, IDE's, scripting and so on). And then they make a plan to win eah and every one of these items identified.

Contrast that with your thinking. Put out the very very very best browser (and be sure that I AM sure you WILL INDEED put out the best browser!!) and let the rest of these items take care of themselves.

NO! Build up composer so it uses the XML and DOM stuff you are developing. Build up your servers so they integrate and extend Composer. Extend ECMAscript so it can leverage Mozilla.

Unless you fight this war with every nerve and sinew you all can muster, it will be lost. Don't rly on the ephemeral nature os OSS or your history as a glorious company. It is over. But you can still fight back.

MS is moving in on XML in the way I outlined above. <…rame.htm#/xml/default.asp> Now, what are you going to do about it?

Has it occured to you that I have a job of my own? I am not doing this to upset you or just for fun. I am in fact trying to help. I am not some pimply 12 year old who is thinking big - I am speaking from some experience. You can think about what I am saying here and maybe teach me something I havent learned before, or you can accept the possibility of this all being true.