The Web Standards Project Skewers IE5

Friday March 19th, 1999

IE5 is "an opportunity lost", according to the Web Standards Project. The WSP, you may recall, recently claimed responsibility for moving towards an NGLayout based engine for Mozilla 5.

MozillaZine has been claiming for months that IE5 wouldn't be standards compliant (and we wish we had wagered money on it). It was obvious from articles regarding IE5, and from appearances at developer meetings by Microsoft executives that they were planning to ship IE5 whether they were compliant or not. They refused to commit when asked to, and fell back on the excuse of tight shipping schedules.

In other news, another developer's release of Mozilla is tentatively scheduled for the end of the month, so check back for updates.

Thanks to Derick Phillips for the WSP news.

#14 Re:The Web Standards Project Skewers IE5

by Kovu <>

Sunday March 21st, 1999 3:53 AM

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When I said I didn't give a rat's ass I just meant I wasn't talking about ordinary Joes. Allow me to rephrase: "Yes, merely allows people to build on components. Does MS give you access to their code? No. I'm talking about companies like Gateway and HP being able to actually change the code of the browser to effectively make their own based upon that code--like Doczilla. Can you go that far with IE and not get sued?"

In any case, very few people are going to develop for a browser that only IE5 users can see--there just won't be many of them out there. Several thousand will download it, maybe more, and Win98 2nd Ed. might boost the number a little, but Win98 has already sold most of what it's going to, and by then NS5 will be near, and probably already in beta.

I'm not trying to be hostile, but think about it. Who would want to use extensions that only a small percentage of viewship will see? It doesn't make good marketing sense. If IE3 and IE4 at least could deal with MSs new stuff, their proprietary extensions MIGHT have a chance, but since they cannot (if they could, then so could NS), it doesn't stand a chance in the big picture. It's just like Java++, it defeats the whole purpose. I realize it's hard to believe MS could ever end their dominant influence in the browser market. I, at least, have faith that it can, and soon will.