IE5 Released - Not HTML4, CSS1 or XML Compliant

Thursday March 18th, 1999

IE5 is out, and not only is it incompatible with CSS1, but it's DOM is faulty (and proprietary) and HTML4 support is incomplete. Also, it's XML Namespaces implementation is just plain wrong. It does poorly on the Import test, and renders the boxacidtest improperly (and badly).

On an interesting note, the article I linked to above was available this morning. Now, if you go to and find the same article (it has a new link), you'll find that all of the criticism regarding MS's standards compliance has been placed on a second page of the article. Look at the two links to see what I mean. Curious, no?

In response to criticism of their standards support, Microsoft's Mike Nichols said, "It's ironic that people are challenging our standards support when we have led by a substantial margin in this area since IE4". As I mentioned before, expect Microsoft to blame Netscape for Microsoft's lack of 100% standards compliance. The first person to point us to a new article that makes this claim (Microsoft already stated something similar months ago) will get a MozillaZine T-Shirt, when they come available. Our T-Shirts are still in the design phase, but we expect to have something soon.

Folks, stay calm. The Mozilla team is working hard to get a basic browser/mail-news reader into your hands that you can start using full-time. If you need standards compatibility, just go to our fetchBuilds section and download the latest build for your platform. You can see how the new browser, "apprunner", is shaping up, and try out your pages in the testbed viewer, undeniably the most standards compliant browser on the planet.

#51 Re:IE5 Released - Not HTML4, CSS1 or XML Compliant

by Kovu <>

Sunday March 21st, 1999 3:10 AM

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All MS proprietary crap in IE5 means is that noone is going to use those extensions except MS because doing so would be programming for only half a market, and that is stupid. MS themselves will use it for their sites and a few MS drone companies may use it because they have exclusive agreements to. Anyone who d/led IE5 will be able to see it on those sites, but that's it. Face it, the overwhelming percentage of browsers out there is IE3, IE4, NS3, and NS4. If you really think all four of these groups, and the companies that program their websites to be compatible for them, are going to jump out and get (or program ONLY for) IE5 because it has a stupid radio bar (an attempt to kill Realaudio, because Billy got pissed at their CEO) and will hold your credit card information if you're stupid enough to put it in, and, oh yeah, the few MS sites that use their dead-end proprietary extensions, you're wrong.