IE5 Released - Not HTML4, CSS1 or XML Compliant

Thursday March 18th, 1999

IE5 is out, and not only is it incompatible with CSS1, but it's DOM is faulty (and proprietary) and HTML4 support is incomplete. Also, it's XML Namespaces implementation is just plain wrong. It does poorly on the Import test, and renders the boxacidtest improperly (and badly).

On an interesting note, the article I linked to above was available this morning. Now, if you go to and find the same article (it has a new link), you'll find that all of the criticism regarding MS's standards compliance has been placed on a second page of the article. Look at the two links to see what I mean. Curious, no?

In response to criticism of their standards support, Microsoft's Mike Nichols said, "It's ironic that people are challenging our standards support when we have led by a substantial margin in this area since IE4". As I mentioned before, expect Microsoft to blame Netscape for Microsoft's lack of 100% standards compliance. The first person to point us to a new article that makes this claim (Microsoft already stated something similar months ago) will get a MozillaZine T-Shirt, when they come available. Our T-Shirts are still in the design phase, but we expect to have something soon.

Folks, stay calm. The Mozilla team is working hard to get a basic browser/mail-news reader into your hands that you can start using full-time. If you need standards compatibility, just go to our fetchBuilds section and download the latest build for your platform. You can see how the new browser, "apprunner", is shaping up, and try out your pages in the testbed viewer, undeniably the most standards compliant browser on the planet.

#45 Re:IE5 Released - Not HTML4, CSS1 or XML Compliant

by Kovu <>

Saturday March 20th, 1999 6:32 PM

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you're always assuming anyone gives a rat's ass about IE5. The sad thing is, those same dumb Windows users don't know much or care about new versions of their browser, they use it because it came with their system. Just because MS says IE is all that doesn't mean it is. IE5 is really not much different from IE4, and I seriously doubt you're going to get many NS users to convert just because they threw in a radio bar and their own version of What's Related. Likely the only people who will upgrade to IE5 are those that have IE4. So what? MS will be the one regretting once NS 5.0 comes out and IE 5 sucks ass in comparison.