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IE5 Released - Not HTML4, CSS1 or XML Compliant

Thursday March 18th, 1999

IE5 is out, and not only is it incompatible with CSS1, but it's DOM is faulty (and proprietary) and HTML4 support is incomplete. Also, it's XML Namespaces implementation is just plain wrong. It does poorly on the Import test, and renders the boxacidtest improperly (and badly).

On an interesting note, the article I linked to above was available this morning. Now, if you go to news.com and find the same article (it has a new link), you'll find that all of the criticism regarding MS's standards compliance has been placed on a second page of the article. Look at the two links to see what I mean. Curious, no?

In response to criticism of their standards support, Microsoft's Mike Nichols said, "It's ironic that people are challenging our standards support when we have led by a substantial margin in this area since IE4". As I mentioned before, expect Microsoft to blame Netscape for Microsoft's lack of 100% standards compliance. The first person to point us to a new article that makes this claim (Microsoft already stated something similar months ago) will get a MozillaZine T-Shirt, when they come available. Our T-Shirts are still in the design phase, but we expect to have something soon.

Folks, stay calm. The Mozilla team is working hard to get a basic browser/mail-news reader into your hands that you can start using full-time. If you need standards compatibility, just go to our fetchBuilds section and download the latest build for your platform. You can see how the new browser, "apprunner", is shaping up, and try out your pages in the testbed viewer, undeniably the most standards compliant browser on the planet.


#32 Re:IE5 Released - Not HTML4, CSS1 or XML Compliant

by Julian Missig <x-virge@shafe.com>

Friday March 19th, 1999 9:30 PM

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I think it's sad that Microsoft is biting the bullet again and supporting some form of a stylesheet language that is far from an official recommendation (AGAIN). I was looking so forward to using XSL and XML in version 5 browsers, hoping that Microsoft would just choose not to support XSL until it comes out, but my hopes failed. As <http://www.webstandards.org/ie5.txt> WaSP and many others have reported, Microsoft uses their own version of XSL and chooses it over CSS2, which is an actual recommendation! This means that future releases of IE5.x will probably have to support the MS-XSL or else many pages will be broken. This could cause a LOT of people to believe that Netscape doesn't support standards when Netscape5 is released because their XML/XSL pages won't work.

At least Netscape5 will supposedly support XSL properly... if that will be any help.