IE5 Released - Not HTML4, CSS1 or XML Compliant

Thursday March 18th, 1999

IE5 is out, and not only is it incompatible with CSS1, but it's DOM is faulty (and proprietary) and HTML4 support is incomplete. Also, it's XML Namespaces implementation is just plain wrong. It does poorly on the Import test, and renders the boxacidtest improperly (and badly).

On an interesting note, the article I linked to above was available this morning. Now, if you go to and find the same article (it has a new link), you'll find that all of the criticism regarding MS's standards compliance has been placed on a second page of the article. Look at the two links to see what I mean. Curious, no?

In response to criticism of their standards support, Microsoft's Mike Nichols said, "It's ironic that people are challenging our standards support when we have led by a substantial margin in this area since IE4". As I mentioned before, expect Microsoft to blame Netscape for Microsoft's lack of 100% standards compliance. The first person to point us to a new article that makes this claim (Microsoft already stated something similar months ago) will get a MozillaZine T-Shirt, when they come available. Our T-Shirts are still in the design phase, but we expect to have something soon.

Folks, stay calm. The Mozilla team is working hard to get a basic browser/mail-news reader into your hands that you can start using full-time. If you need standards compatibility, just go to our fetchBuilds section and download the latest build for your platform. You can see how the new browser, "apprunner", is shaping up, and try out your pages in the testbed viewer, undeniably the most standards compliant browser on the planet.

#27 Re:IE5 Released - Not HTML4, CSS1 or XML Compliant

by Kovu <>

Friday March 19th, 1999 9:17 AM

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Yeah, NS may not be compliant at this point, but to say it's the browser that's "holding us back" is gibberish when you consider all the proprietary crap they added and that they STILL don't fully support CSS1--even less so than IE4 did! Sorry, I agree with the web standards project--IE5 is a lost chance, and it makes me happy, friends and neighbors, because MS is proving once again that it is one of its own worst enemies. Bummer.

MS has some talented people working for it, and they worked so hard helping develop HTML4 and other standards, and then the morons in charge make decisions like IE5 to try to turn web browsing into a MS only standard just like they tried with Java++. Yeah, IE5 is really "tough" all right. Tough pill to swallow, you can HAVE it.

As for d/ling NS 4.51 with Smartdownload, it worked perfectly fine for me. Maybe you should reinstall.