The Mozilla Foundation has acquired a license for Talkback. We are in the process of finalising the arrangements and setting up our own Talkback server.

That isn't to say, of course, that if someone wants to implement an open source version of Talkback, that wouldn't be fantastic ;-)

Gerv

What extension do I need?

It says there is "nothing on the list" - that bug (and a bunch of others) aren't on the list.

You need to read the minutes carefully, and remember that they are just snippets from the discussion and may be out of context.

If you look at the bug today, you will notice that the patch for this has been checked in today and they are looking for testers. It should be in the next nightly.

If you look at the bug today, you will notice that the patch for this has been checked in today and they are looking for testers. It should be in the next nightly.

Wouldn't it be most appropriate if Firebird launched Thunderbird to display the newsgroup?

(Or whatever is set as the default viewer for newsgroups.)

I'm using Mozilla 1.4. It rendered the news article in a browser window. It didn't try to use any news clients.

The same problem here. I found a bug filed: http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=219796

"So what do you mean by 'ostension' if this was not a typo?"

I believe alcatraz52 used the term 'ostension' in the sense of an action that demonstrates something more strongly than a word. In this case, alcatraz52 thought that the Mozilla Application Suite's way of seamlessly loading a newsgroup message demonstrated its advantages better than any words could.

Alex

news: URLs are a bit hopeless, but that's where the original content is published (and google groups doesn't seem to have it any more), so I don't see what else they can do by way of linking. Maybe just make the link in the short version also point to the full article, and bury the news: URL down the bottom of that somewhere.

I'm not sure how many "normal" people are interested in the minutes of meetings anyway. Normal people can wait for the releases and the roadmap update to actually appear...

The problem with the average internet user is that they no longer get given a proper introduction to the internet. Most people I've introduced to the Usenet love it. Many people have thanked me for introducing them to groups.google.com - it's often far easier to find answers there than on the web. The Usenet isn't going to die anytime soon as the number of internet users utilising it is still increasing, even though the percentage of them is decreasing. Even Microsoft are pushing the platform more, and looking to leverage it, especially today in technical circles. It's all about educating people - and I think most people prefer reading threaded articles in a proper client rather than web browser once they've been properly introduced.

As for your point about authentication putting people off... you're probably right. But does it matter in this case? Is the ordinary internet user even going to be marginally interested in the content? I don't think so. This case isn't the time or place to be advocating the Usenet.

There's no good way of doing it. Simply linking to message ID won't work if people don't have a news server with the newsgroup on it already set up. Whichever way you do it, it's not going to work for a lot of people...

Best thing would probably not to make the news: link so prominent, and just link to the "full article" page.

"Please dont post News Links to news.mozilla.org. a simple news:3F7877BE.50807@mozilla.org should do the work and it connects to my default Newsserver"

As far as I know, the Mozilla newsgroups are not really part of Usenet. They are located on news.mozilla.org; however, some other news servers carry them. And serverless news URLs would be no good for people without any newsgroup accounts set up.

This is why we normally link to Google Groups. It's Web-based, so most people that can reah MozillaZine can click throught o the groups and it's a lot more permanent than the messages stored on many news servers. The only exception is when Google Groups hasn't cached a news posting at the time a MozillaZine article goes up. Then we have little choice but to use a news: URL.

Alex

No more "integrated" monolith. Resources, or a lack thereof, is probably the biggest obstacle to concentrating on releasing suites, because it means the development schedule has to be coordinated and, say, Tb won't drag on while Fb sits waiting, or vice-versa. You can already get the apps separately, so that's not much of an issue.

If what you mean is having one program a la Communicator, well, I'm just thinking about what would have happened the last time MozFb crashed. No, I'm trying not to think.