Mozilla 1.5 Release Candidate 2 Out

Friday September 26th, 2003

The second release candidate of Mozilla 1.5 is now available for download. This new test build contains around twenty fixes that were not in Release Candidate 1, including a new preference for specifying whether opening a bookmark group should replace the existing tabs or append the new pages to the current set. As usual, builds can be downloaded from the Releases page or direct from Consult the Mozilla 1.5 Release Candidate 2 Release Notes for more information and look out for the final version of Mozilla 1.5 in the first week of October.

#14 Top-posting

by ehn <>

Sunday September 28th, 2003 2:14 PM

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"Fsck how you think life should work."

Nice attitude! Why is it so difficult for people to stay civil in electronic communication? I'm sure you would not resort to name-calling and similar if we had this discussion tête-à-tête.

"I'm here, using the product, and when I choose to reply above quoted text, my .sig should be there, too."

Apart from the other issues that make top-posting a bad idea, putting the signature above the quoted text would make some users, who have configured their email clients to strip anything after the leading "-- " of the signature, never see the quotation. That might be a good thing, since there is generally no point in quoting entire messages (IMHO), but that's probably not what you intended.

To me top-posting signals that the author considers her time more important than mine. She did not think it worth the time to quote only the things she was replying to and thereby making it easier for me to see how her replies pertain to my writing, but expects me to spend my time deciphering her less-than-clear reply. (Of course, most of the time, top-posting is not an active choice (as so much in today's software world), but simply something the user has been conditioned to by Microsoft software. If Mozilla can be a counter-weight to that, I think it's a good thing.)

"The reality of this is that techno-elists, such as yourself, use their .sig for silly little quotes and tech specs and other crap, and not as a 'signature'---i.e. something denoting the name of the author."

I'm sorry to have to inform you that I don't live up to the prejudiced image that you have formed of me, aparently based on a single message, but I don't use a signature file at all.

"If my reply is above the quoted text, my .sig should be, too, as I did not author the quoted text. And if you think this project is in anyway, shape or form trying to rebel against the de-facto standards that MS has forced on the world, you are more blind than suggested. This project is about providing an alternative to the MS-norm and maintaining compatibility in user-interface so as to make thte transition painless. That may not be the front they put on, but that's the reality."

This project is about what the developers (and those who are willing to fund developers) want it to be. That is sometimes good and sometimes bad, depending on whether you happen to agree with the developers (actually the drivers). I don't always agree with them either---for instance, I think removing MNG support from the trunk was a really bad idea.