Introduction to Mozilla Thunderbird Part 3 Now Available

Friday July 25th, 2003

Morten W. Petersen writes: "Kay Frode has created another article introducing new users to Thunderbird (following the first and second article which received great reviews and lots of helpful feedback) up on our website. Any comments? Thanks."

#1 great intro..... but.....

by quarsan

Friday July 25th, 2003 12:06 PM

on 800x600 it has some horizontal scrolling.

perhaps they could be re-written for different screen sizes;

#10 Re: great intro..... but.....

by morphex

Sunday July 27th, 2003 8:56 AM

Good point; we'll look into different kinds of layouts to accomodate users with 800x600 screens.

#2 Signatures

by eiseli

Friday July 25th, 2003 3:07 PM

I read somewhere that a signature should not be longer than 3 lines. True/False?

Also, I see that you are composing e-mail with HTML enabled. Using a plain text signature doesn't look a bit weird then? Maybe it would be a good idea to address this question and also, how do I produce a formatted signature?

I've read about a bug which bugs many people, that the signature always gets positioned at the very end of a message, below all quoted text. Some would like to have it at the end of your text, before any remaining quoted text (for business usage especially). Maybe you should address this too.

When I was a beginner, I was really confused by the 2 dashes preceding a signature. IIRC, Outlook doesn't do that. But you should mention that this is the standard way to display a signature, at least in the plain text format. Wondering however if this still makes sense if the mail message is formatted with HTML...

When I first introduced Netscape Mail to my girlfriend, she was wondering how she could get the names from her address book and tried to click in the side where you define To, CC, BCC etc... I had to tell her that she just should type anything like last name, first name, nick or beginning of the e-mail address, provided all this information is in the address book. At that time I showed her that all recipients of her sent messages get automatically added to her personal address book.

She was first also a little bit confused about the way to add multiple recipients. In Outlook she has been using at the office for 3 years you add all recipients in one line. Here you can too, if you add a semicolon after each address. But it's easier to hit ENTER and write every recipient in a new line. For each one you can then change the way to send (Oh this guy should only get a CC) no need to cut it from the TO field and move it to the CC, like you have to do in Outlook.

Just a few comments that come to my mind :) As you can see, sometimes even sending a mail can raise a lot of questions. I was surprized myself ;)

#3 Re: Signatures

by minh

Friday July 25th, 2003 5:40 PM

I like the way you can edit signatures without opening a plain text editor in Outlook Express.

#6 Re: Re: Signatures

by tomsommer

Saturday July 26th, 2003 8:54 AM

I very much agree

#8 Re: Signatures

by YFan

Saturday July 26th, 2003 7:42 PM

This tagline extention (Preferential) might help:

#4 Re: Signatures

by jilles

Friday July 25th, 2003 5:45 PM

Regarding the two dashes, that apparently is something the elite hackers want us to live with. Apparently it's some obscure evolved standard/convention that never really caught on that says that the text below is a signature and should not be quoted in a reply. Of course it is a very adhoc standard and the proper way to implement it would have been to use an attachment for the signature that email clients could optionally display rather than two ASCII dashes. It's too late for that now just as it is too late to expect microsoft to start complying with this kind of thing. Lets move on please.

Of course HTML is actually a real standard but many mail clients still do not support it (even though html2text is trivial to implement, any 1st year cs student could do it in their sleep). Fortunately this only applies to mail clients almost nobody uses anymore (pine, elm, mutt, ...). So yes, you are right the dashes are pretty pointless and in the context of HTML formatted messages completely pointless.

The email compose dialog is a usability disaster inherited from netscape 4. Apparently developers are aware and a replacement is under development (any news on how this is progressing?). IMHO the outlook dialog is just as powerfull and far more intuitive to use.

#5 Re: Signatures

by tomsommer

Saturday July 26th, 2003 8:54 AM

4 Lines, this is a usenet/newsgroup rule

#7 nice

by steeef

Saturday July 26th, 2003 10:02 AM

Great introduction to Thunderbird. Hopefully following articles will cover subjects like handling rules and junk mail. To me, these are probably the most important part of any email application.

#11 Re: great intro..... but.....

by morphex

Sunday July 27th, 2003 8:58 AM

Couldn't agree more. We'll be covering rules and junk after part 4, exactly which part isn't known yet. :)

#9 Time to update screenshots

by motobass

Sunday July 27th, 2003 8:48 AM

The Compose window has new buttons.

#12 Re: Time to update screenshots

by morphex

Sunday July 27th, 2003 9:00 AM

OK. :)

#13 Thunderbird Tutorial

by FET

Friday April 21st, 2006 8:46 AM

We have online a Thunderbird tutorial which, while still in the works, is pretty comprehensive: