This probably means we get a mozilla store and T-shirts and all :) Not only would that mean public display people - it's a better way of donating.

Will end-users now have more influence on Development?

Will the marketing groups be able to exert some influence on which and how some important-to-end-users bugs will be handled?

Some example bugs that have been neglected:

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We need a big, huge, awesome Mozilla stuffed toy :D

That and T-Shirts would be great :)

A CafePress store would be a cinch to set up.

if there's onr thing i've found frustrating about the mozilla project it is this:

how can i, as a non programmer, contribute to spreading the word about moz? indeed a sub-question is how welcome am i as a non programmer, to the project?

i think it is make or break time for the lil green lizard and i hope i can contribute to this marketing. so, let's put the bug queries aside for a day or two and see what ideas we can come up with to let people know about this wonderful project and the ideals behind it.

bumper sticker: put a tiger in your tank and a lizard on your desktop

I hope the marketing project will be taking measures to let the world know of Mozilla! Because Mozilla has been looked down on for far to long.

We need buttons with Mozilla tearing down non-standards to shreds (very very graphical ;-) )

We need *massive* advertising. Perhaps we could secure enough donations through t-shirt sales (etc.) to buy ad banners at respectable sites where IE usage is high. I'm thinking sites like CNet News (news.com.com), Google, and Amazon.com. Even television is not too much to ask - eventually.

I have some questions that I feel must be asked. In light of the fact marketing and advertising projects are expensive, and that we may not be able to secure enough free advertising as donations, it seems obvious that significant monies need to be raised. Who should that money go to, and how can the community be sure that the money is being used wisely? What kind of oversight can the community expect from mozilla.org? And finally, what sort of fundraising methods might be acceptable and who should be encouraged to pursue them?

I don't mean to imply any hint of shady doings, and I'm sure everyone over at mozilla.org are trustworthy individuals, but any time money come up in a conversation, one should ask some tough questions in return.

Tee Shirts and website buttons aren't going to even reach the average person, let alone convince him to download Mozilla. The best way to get Mozilla on computers is to get it on those CDs that ISPs use to set up thier service for a new customer. If Mozilla is the default agent that comes up when the user clicks on the ISP's icon, then it will be used. You aren't going to get the ISPs to do that unless Mozilla has a clear advantage for them (not just thier customers). One of an ISPs biggest expenses is it's help desk. Every time that phone rings it costs them money. Make a product that causes that phone to ring less than MSIE, and make sure they know Mozilla will save them money on support, and they will put it on thier CDs as the default browser. If MSIE results in fewer calls to the Help desk, Mozilla will be left off the CDs.

from a post on a john dvorak article at <http://discuss.pcmag.com/…mag/messages?msg=15635.54>

particularly: "Mozilla is a perfect example. When they finally got to release One I had to find out about it in a discussion group. Nobody from Mozilla.org has ever contacted me as far as I know. The Opera people, I have to say, are very responsive."

it sounds like no one is even trying to get attention. granted this article was a long time ago, but getting articles in mass media will at least get the mozilla name in people's heads. so, as nice as bumper stickers are and i would throw down on a stuffed mozilla lizard in a heartbeat, i think maybe a top down approach would work better here. get the product into the hands of mainstream media. make sure every release is accompanied with a press release that goes out to cnet, pcmag, etc.

just my $.02

Look at these names as if you had never heard of them.

"Netscape". Must Be something to do with the Internet.

"Internet Explorer". Some kind of Internet software.

"Mozilla". ??? What does it do?

"Firebird". Some kind of Racing game?

The Browser that the Mozilla foundation releases needs a marketable name that clearly identifies it as Internet software. The average user has no clue what a Mozilla is or what it does.