AOL Cuts Remaining Mozilla Hackers

Tuesday July 15th, 2003

It has been learned through public and private sources that AOL has cut or will cut the remaining team working on Mozilla in a mass firing and are dismantling what was left of Netscape (they've even pulled the logos off the buildings). Some will remain working on Mozilla during the transition, and will move to other jobs within AOL.

The news isn't all doom and gloom, folks. I've been informed that the number of volunteer Mozilla hackers started eclipsing the number of Netscape hackers last month, and that a number of folks have already been snatched up by other organizations.

Stay tuned for updates.

UPDATE: Looks like folks are starting to post to

UPDATE: I was told to stress that Mozilla will continue, and that many of the folks let go today will continue to devote time and energy to it. I'd like to wish all the best of luck, and I'd like to thank everyone for the amazing contributions that they have made over the past five years.

UPDATE #3: Some changes made to the main text above.

#165 Re: Re: about time

by jmcinnis

Thursday July 17th, 2003 10:27 AM

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I'll take your post point by point so that I may sugically remove the indoctrination from your brain...

>Hey, latecomer, Netscape 0.6 *was* the original browser after NCSA Mosaic, long before IE existed. For me, Mozilla started to be "quite something" around 0.9.6, and has been leaping forward in quality ever since.

This is totally irrelevant to my point. Just because something is original doesn't make it good. Netscape and Mozilla have been poor efforts from the get-go. I guarantee that I've been around this game longer than you have, punk.

>And now Mozilla and Firebird have established substantial superiority, read the reviews and awards. Things change.

Political tripe. Reviews and awards? Give me a break. IE has a massive lead on all counts.

>You completely misunderstand Open Source development. The code will advance so long as someone is motivated to work on it.

Right. I don't misunderstand open source. This is precisely my point - it won't be long before no one is motivated to work on it.

>With 400M people on the Internet, even a 1% market share translates to 4,000,000 users. And the Mozilla users are the cream of the crop, the ones smart enough and interested enough to find and use a better browser, and many of them have the skills to improve the code.

What a joke. First, there aren't many Mozilla users. Some of the posts on this topic attest to this fact - it's been advanced that many, many developers aren't even aware of Mozilla. Second, Mozilla users aren't the "cream of the crop" by any positive measure; they are notable in that they are disaffected and pissy - as opposed to talented or skilled. Mozilla's junk and the development community knows it.

>It benefits an illegal monopoly not to have competition, but what are you getting out of pissing on the Mozilla project?

What are you getting out of pissing on IE/MS? MS is simply not monopoly, illegal or otherwise. I guess Tiger shouldn't be allowed to play, huh? Read the history of antitrust to see how the rules have changed from addressing actual monopolies to protecting companies that aren't capable of competing. Ellison should have been running his company instead of hanging out on his yacht, and Barksdale should have figured out a way to offer something of value. But instead, these guys run off to D.C. to get their dirty work done. Doesn't matter. MS moves too fast.

>Hence you seem to be a troll.

OK. And you seem to be incapable of addressing dissenting opinion. Whatever. Calling me a troll seems to be in keeping with your attitude in general. 3 years from now you'll be in a bar, weeping in your beer, muttering to anyone who'll listen about the days when Mozilla and Netscape existed and how it just isn't fair.