Full Article Attached Mozilla Foundation Created

Tuesday July 15th, 2003 has just announced that they have created a new non-profit organization, the Mozilla Foundation, to continue the management of the Mozilla source. The new foundation will be made up of current staff, along with other open source leaders, including Mitch Kapor, who will chair the foundation. To help with the foundation's costs, AOL has pledged 2 million dollars, along with hardware and other resources, and other companies, including IBM, Red Hat, and Sun, are also pledging support. More information can be found in the press release or in the newsgroup posting. More details when available.

#1 new site...

by Kerem <>

Tuesday July 15th, 2003 11:03 AM

Reply to this message

check out the new website :)

#2 Re: new site...

by minh

Tuesday July 15th, 2003 11:08 AM

Reply to this message

So beautiful.... *cries*

#8 Re: new site...

by Sinuhe

Wednesday July 16th, 2003 12:15 AM

Reply to this message

Isn't it somewhat cluttered? I think there is too much information on one page, and also the news are gone from the front page (I know they are on a different URI, but even there, they look somewhat queerly; besides, shouldn't The Mozilla Foundation be mentioned there as well?) ... In addition, there are no noticeable links to the Releases page, where additional versions of packages are available. There is no charset metadata (or in HTTP Content-Type) in the head of the page, either, which in turn leads to some weird characters (and the W3C validator fails, which is not a good thing). To wrap up, all of the other sites are still featuring the old interface. Will this be addressed in the future, or is it as intended?

Certainly the graphical image is much better than before, however, there are still issues which should be dealt with. Can we hope for an improvement sometime later?

#3 Whats the difference?

by thelem

Tuesday July 15th, 2003 11:20 AM

Reply to this message

What will do now? They way I read it, has effectively been renamed The Mozilla Foundation and they are trying to register as a non-profit organization.

#4 Re: Whats the difference?

by sremick

Tuesday July 15th, 2003 11:33 AM

Reply to this message

Seems to me this is a good marketing/PR spin on what is basically AOL wanting to rid itself of Mozilla. Start a foundation to take the place of AOL's control, AOL tosses in $2M in severence pay, and then send the child out into the Big Bad World to survive on its own. I'm not saying this is good or bad, just trying to read in-between the lines to get to the real message here.

AOL used Mozilla/Netscape as a bargaining chip w/ MS for a long time. Many say that, with the recent deal w/ MS, AOL has now played that chip. In which case, would have no further value to AOL and would only be dead-weight for a company who is already struggling. The timing fits.

What does this mean for Netscape? AOL needn't ditch the project... it doesn't need to own to use gecko in the Netscape browser. But I wonder what AOL's real plans for the future of Netscape are? They can still probably influence the Mozilla project to their own interests by making sure they're the primary contributor to the new Foundation (although maybe will be like, "hey, either you own us and you get influence, or you cut us free to fend for ourselves but you have no more say than other players"). We shall see I guess.

#6 Re: Whats the difference?

by RobertM

Tuesday July 15th, 2003 3:27 PM

Reply to this message

Well, I think we can safely say that AOL axed Netscape--they even took the logo off the building, from what I've heard. :) The paid employees will not be working on Gecko anymore.

<> has more, as does MozillaNews.

This doesn't mean that Netscape *can't* continue development, sicne Mozilla is open-source, but I'd guess 7.1 will be the last version. They probably have no incentive to do so. AOL *could* use Gecko in its client software later, but I doubt they'll do that, either. Not that they would anyway, since they didn't when they *really* had the chance. Compuserve uses it, as does AOL for OS X. Hopefully they will continue to use this technology--not that either comprises a significant portion of anything. :) On the Mac, though, it's probably the only option, short of using KHTML like Apple.

#7 Re: Re: Whats the difference?

by asa <>

Tuesday July 15th, 2003 8:31 PM

Reply to this message

"Seems to me this is a good marketing/PR spin on what is basically AOL wanting to rid itself of Mozilla. Start a foundation to take the place of AOL's control"

Actually, we have been working toward an independent for years and the Mozilla Foundation is the culmination of that work. The creation of the Mozilla Foundation is a huge win for Mozilla technologies and products and the Mozilla community overall. It gives us the legal framework and organizational structure so that companies can more comfortably and conveniently contribute (money, infrastructure, engineering resources, etc.) and better work with other members of the community to take Mozilla to the next level. Mozilla 1.0 through 1.4 have been kickass products. We've won numerous awards and are considered by many to be the best. The Mozilla Foundation will also bring resources to help us let the world know about our award-winnind product. This is something of a shift but one that's driven in part by the huge uptake we've seen from end-users over the last year or so and in part because we think we can reach a lot more with some smart marketing. The will help drive this new direction. It's a good thing.


#10 But Asa...

by tseelee

Wednesday July 16th, 2003 11:38 PM

Reply to this message

Sure it's nice there's now a foundation to coordinate all this stuff, but wasn't there a disincentive to actually setting it up until AOL decided it needed to axe Netscape?

#5 Excellence!

by nosebleed <>

Tuesday July 15th, 2003 2:48 PM

Reply to this message

The new site is more militant about Mozilla, also, they linked to Ben Goodger's "Why use Firebird" page. The page is great for new users, unlike the old one which was so bland and informationless. It will likely help convert people who were unsure of Mozilla as an end-user product.

#9 Redesign of the page in CSS

by corwin

Wednesday July 16th, 2003 2:52 PM

Reply to this message


This is the work of Laurent Jouanneau

#11 This is a shock news

by oliversl

Thursday July 17th, 2003 12:33 AM

Reply to this message

Every knew that this day was comming, was it happend to damn fast. I was hopping at least to hear some rumors days before this, so people can me mentally prepared. Anyway, I hope that the Mozilla Foundation's good news are true and good luck to everyone that was fired :-(