'The Guardian' Recommends Mozilla Firebird/Thunderbird, Criticises Mozilla Development Decisions

Thursday July 10th, 2003

Ian Deeley and A Wood both wrote in to tell us that today's edition of The Guardian, the UK broadsheet newspaper, features a column by Jack Schofield that recommends Mozilla Firebird and Mozilla Thunderbird. The article states that "Mozilla's Firebird browser and Thunderbird standalone mail software could make Microsoft's offerings look very shabby indeed." The bulk of the rest of the feature critically examines Netscape's and's browser development decisions (it is particularly damning of the team's cross-platform aspirations) and discusses Microsoft's plans to abandon development of the standalone version of Internet Explorer. Readers of the print edition of The Guardian can find the column on page 22 of the Life/Online supplement.

#60 Re: Re: You sure you talking about the right brows

by rwc

Sunday July 13th, 2003 6:04 PM

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We must be in different universes. Before posting those 16 links I verified, using last night's build, that all 16 pages still exist and either crash or display incorrectly in Mozilla. (But you say "I visited the page specified" which confuses me because I posted way more than one.) Any chance you're using a Mac, which as I recall uses the OS'es Print Preview instead of the browser's? What is the URL of the page you say no longer exists? Are you quite sure it's one of the ones I posted, and not one from the bug report itself?

I should explain that the browser crashes because some web pages are built without regard to standards? <> which is a repeatable crasher when print previewing on last night's build (under Windows anyway), is a perfectly valid XHTML 1.0 transitional document.

A newer version of Mozilla may resolve most of the issues? In the previous post I said the URLs I provided will crash/not display correctly in the *lastest nightly*. I can't get more "newer" than that.

Mozilla's UI on the public PCs has been modified to be way simpler than Netscape 7.1's - which I wouldn't touch with a ten-foot pole until they divorce IM from Mail. Netscape would not be the browser of choice anyway, due to its taking so long to catch up with Mozilla releases - Netscape 7.x was still based on the 1.0 branch up until the release of 7.1 two weeks ago. That was a lag time of over a year for feature parity.

Please don't respond with yet another "works for me" post (unless you can really successfully print preview all 16 URLs that I provided in my last post under Windows - that would be intriguing). The fact that bugs exist in bugzilla for these crashers and PP problems, that they've been assigned to a developer and are actively being commented on sort of lends merit to the claim that they actually do exist.