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Full Article Attached Open XUL Alliance Site Goes Live

Sunday May 25th, 2003

Gerald Bauer writes in with news that the Open XUL Alliance site has launched. The site aims promote XUL and encourage interoperability with a collection of XUL news articles, mailing lists and links.


#40 Re: Growing the Pie Together - XUL Needs To Break

by jgraham

Wednesday May 28th, 2003 10:43 AM

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>If you're realistic noone will use Mozilla as a platform other than some fanatics. Sure, Mozilla is free and open-source. However, it's still a single-vendor product with lack of competition and its own ecosystem using common standards and much more to make it into an next-gen application platform for a rich internet.

If your realistic, no one will use (.net / Visual Basic / whatever) as a platform other than some fanatics. After all, it's closed source and proprietry - a single vendor product.

>> When I use the term "XUL", I mean Mozilla XUL.

>Now, how ego-centric is that?

Uh not at all? Unless another XUL-like language has exactly the same syntax as (Mozilla) XUL, then giving it the same name would just be confusing. If it's Mozilla-XUL compatiable then XUL is a good name. But trying to call anything that defines any type of user interface in an XML format XUL is just confusing.

> You're using it as an umbrella to describe other vaguely similar (but not interoperable) XML UI implementations. In my opinion that's kind of confusing, but > whatever. :)

> As I wrote before it's all just getting started. The first step is to create a new market/new identity and tell all those XML UI motor developers: Look, your ideas and projects are great, but hardly unique. If you want to make it happen you can't expect anyone to use your own ego-centric format you need to open up. Only by growing the market together will you succeed, otherwise you'll end up on the fringe.

> So let's get the XUL browser war started and build a rich internet for everyone without the shackles of W3C standards.

Well, yes, if you agree on a commonly impelmentable XML UI format then that would be *a good thing*. But, unless the internet landscape changes dramatically, it won't be sutiable for use on the web without IE implementing it. I think the probablity of IE impementing a language for compatibility with a bunch of open source programs is pretty slim.