Full Article Attached Mitchell Baker on the Firebird Naming Dispute

Monday May 12th, 2003

Mitchell Baker,'s Chief Lizard Wrangler, has recently been in contact with Ann Harrison, an administrator of the Firebird database project, and Mark O'Donohue, President of the FirebirdSQL Foundation. Mitchell has posted a copy of a recent letter she sent to Harrison and O'Donohue to netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey. In the message, she describes how firmly believes that Mozilla Firebird is not infringing on the Firebird database trademark but that the name will eventually give way to 'Mozilla Browser' as the focus of development shifts towards standalone applications.

Some recent media articles have declared the Firebird database community as the victors in the naming dispute. Later this week, MozillaZine hopes to publish an exclusive interview with a senior staff member, which will shed some new light on the situation and clarify's current position.

#20 Re: Waste of time

by GAThrawn

Tuesday May 13th, 2003 7:07 PM

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"Mozilla Firebird was PLANNED as a new product."

I realise that many of you haven't been closely following Mozilla development for very long, but you'll notice that just less than two weeks before the renaming announcment was made there was a pretty major announcement <http://www.mozillazine.or…articles/article3042.html> (If memory serves this was visible on's homepage at the same time as the naming aannouncement).

This states that work on the current Mozilla suite is being phased out, and in its place the (then named) Phoenix browser, Minotaur mail program and other components would become separate components all based on Gecko. These would then become the new Mozilla, in fact as stated in the linked roadmap <> would probably distribute a bundle of them all (called Mozilla, with browser, mail etc components) meaning that the distributed, packaged, hyped products would be called Mozilla.

This was later re-iterated in the Branding document.

Now if you're talking about Phoenix, that was a separate product originally developed as a hobby outside of in developer's spare time, but eventually brought back under the's wing. However it was never planned as a separate product by as it was originally developed outside of's control, when saw its value they slowly took it under their wing and then decided to make it the core of the new (post 1.4) Mozilla, but they never planned it to be a separate product.