Full Article Attached Discussion on the Future of Mozilla Tech Evangelism

Monday May 12th, 2003

Bob Clary has posted a newsgroup message to netscape.public.mozilla.general about the future of Mozilla's Technology Evangelism effort, which aims to increase support for Mozilla and other Gecko-based browsers on the Web and inside of corporations.

#14 Re: V. Communist Propaganda in Mozilla Graphics

by GAThrawn

Tuesday May 13th, 2003 5:38 PM

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Take a step back, read your message again, now think how much of what you talk about actually also pertains to your own country (and I'm assuming that you're American by your knee-jerk anti-communism reaction that's been drummed into you as part of your country's cold-war anti-USSR propaganda).

Have a look at posters and imagery from the US Government (and most Western European governaments) from the 20s and 30s, notice how similar it is? Notice the silhouetted, industrial buildings? The idealised image of the worker as the power house of the country (there are an awful lot of American government posters throught the 40s, 50s and 60s showing jolly, hard working constructions workers and farmers building America's skyscrapers and ploughing America's fields just like this)?

"A rising Red Star is characterized by industrialism, military might, and technology. (That's how the USSR came to be a superpower comparable to the USA"

And how exactly did the USA come to be a super power? It was through massive industrialism, technology and military might. And the fact that you still have a lot of all three is why you are currently the only real super power left in the world.

"Don't point me to red stars of harmless products or associations. I've explained to you the *context* and the *collective association* of Mozilla's multiple symbols and images."

But you're forgetting the context that the original soviet imagery came from, and that was the fact that whole style of art was actually quite fashionable all around the whole developed world at the time. That is why so many governments picked up on it, and used it to try to get messages to their people. That is why it was used in the USSR, the USA, Britain, France etc

'Free' may mean freedom from capitalism, it also means 'free speech', something I believe that many of you hold quite highly.

Now I'm British, we've always been a partner with you through the cold war, we would definitelly have been one of the first countries that the USSR would have attacked in the event of the war escalating (mainly because an awful lot of the US planes full of bombs bound for Russia used airfields in Britain to get themselves within striking distance). Yet we haven't been subjected to the massive, hysteric anti-Communism brain washing (think McCarthy-era communist witch hunts etc) that you have had. We can openly discuss it, we can see that it is actually a far better idea than capitalism (although it has never been properly put into practice anywhere) and above all...

...we can see that all this argument has nothing to do with Mozilla!

The symbols are distinctive, eye catching and symbolise the might and power within Mozilla. They are perfectly welcome here.