First Binary of Composer++ for Windows Available

Sunday May 11th, 2003

Daniel Glazman has posted an initial binary package of Composer++ for Windows. This version offers many improvements over the standard Composer, including support for absolute positioning, better resizing, a snap-to-grid option and inline table editing. To get the application to run, you may have to copy the files msvcr70.dll and msvcp70.dll to the folder into which you installed Composer++ (these files may already be on your system; search for them before downloading).

Update! A Linux build is now also available.

Another Update! The first Mac OS X binary is now available. In addition, new Windows and Linux builds have been released.

#1 Great news!

by Prognathous

Sunday May 11th, 2003 8:31 PM

Now all we need is:

Ability to search the source tab - Syntax Highlighting - Paragraph directionality control UI -


#2 Re: Re: Whatever?

by MXN

Sunday May 11th, 2003 8:50 PM

And hopefully some improvements to the UI, including .


#30 forgot one

by buckminster

Monday May 12th, 2003 12:38 PM

This one has been bugging me for a while: Retain Source Formatting option in composer doesn't work. Still doesn't. Back to Notepad.

#3 Not to be a party pooper, but...

by tseelee

Sunday May 11th, 2003 9:29 PM

Believe me when I say I appreciate all the volunteer builds of Px, Composer, etc., but the page this story links to carries the Mozilla logo on top and makes one think it's hosted on, which doesn't seem so. An added "Unofficial" in the title of the page would be sufficient and necessary to avoid confusion by newbies.

#4 I forgot to mention

by tseelee

Sunday May 11th, 2003 9:38 PM

that Glazman will likely be taking over the Composer product, so he could/should say that on top as well. Just think everyone should be consistent. For all I know his decision could've been blessed by, but a little explanation should help.

#6 Glazman already owns Composer

by thegoldenear

Monday May 12th, 2003 1:08 AM

if you look at the link to 'Module Owners' on the front page of you'd see that Daniel Glazman is already the owner of Composer

#42 Glazman

by smkatz

Sunday May 18th, 2003 10:10 PM

We appreciate *strongly* the work that you do. My disabled friend, whenever we were working on a project would say, "Let's download Composer." My comment would be, "that's ***like*** 30MB.. over a 2.88k connection." BTW, I am disabled too. so don't go talking to me about political correctness please.

However, I also was confused--and thought it was not quite square-- to use the logo when you are not on the page.

Feel free to use Mozilla logos, just not ""-- or at least say "click here to go to"

also, the name of the composer version was "composer++" which leads people to believe that its third party. Will you maintain compatibility with the tree's implementation, or should I wait? Sam

#17 Re: Problems with the toolbar

by glazou

Monday May 12th, 2003 3:05 AM

This is the kind of comment that makes me incredibly upset!!! Don't you have anything else to rant about? My code is meant to land into the trunk, and be distributed by It will be freely usable, readable, modifiable, ... Binary packages are just a way of providing users like _you_ with the new features without having to wait for the tree to open.

#5 System File Placement

by Tanyel

Sunday May 11th, 2003 11:54 PM

Will the dynamic link libraries fail if they are stored in the System32 folder?

#18 Re: Problems with the toolbar

by glazou

Monday May 12th, 2003 3:07 AM

no, it should work.

#7 Good Year for Composer

by Lemerly

Monday May 12th, 2003 1:35 AM

This is looking like a good year for composer. If things improve fast, I might be able to use it for design full time^^. Or at least to help my friends learn how to do some webpages for themselves.

#8 "Regular" Compoer Improvements?

by peterlairo

Monday May 12th, 2003 1:43 AM

When will these improvements be put into the "regular" composer?

#19 Re: "Regular" Compoer Improvements?

by glazou

Monday May 12th, 2003 3:10 AM

As soon as possible.

#34 Re: "Regular" Compoer Improvements?

by minh

Monday May 12th, 2003 7:41 PM

I don't think it will incorporated into the Mozilla suite. Mozilla 1.5 will be split into separate apps. Glazman stated that Composer will become an independant application like Firebird that goes on top of the Gecko Runtime Enviroment. Frankly,I like Composer to be a separate app. It will have tighter management and be a lot leaner and meaner. When Composer is part of the mozilla suite, it doesn't get the same attention that it deserves.

#9 "Regular" Compoer Improvements?

by peterlairo

Monday May 12th, 2003 1:44 AM

When will these improvements be put into the "regular" composer?

#10 "Regular" Compoer Improvements?

by peterlairo

Monday May 12th, 2003 1:45 AM

When will these improvements be put into the "regular" composer?

#11 Problems with the toolbar

by Cantello

Monday May 12th, 2003 2:02 AM

This ( is not normal, right? Running the package with WinXP/SP1, theme is Orbit 3+1 1.2 0.0.7.

#12 Re: Problems with the toolbar

by Cantello

Monday May 12th, 2003 2:04 AM

Correct link:

#13 Re: Problems with the toolbar

by rajbhaskar

Monday May 12th, 2003 2:47 AM

This seems to be a theme problem. I had similar problems with Pinball and Calendar a while ago. Until Orbit3 supports the new Calendar you should probably go back to Modern or Classic.

#15 Orbit does

by cdn

Monday May 12th, 2003 2:50 AM

1.3 does support new calendar - you've been too caught up in Multizilla

#39 Re: Orbit does

by rajbhaskar

Tuesday May 13th, 2003 5:16 AM

:-D. I've not used Orbit(3) in quite a long time. Pinball is just perfect for me (and it supports Calendar just fine). And I'm allowed to be caught up in MultiZilla, since I'm webmaster for it ;).

#14 that'll be icons I don't know about yet : )

by cdn

Monday May 12th, 2003 2:48 AM

those must be new buttons, otherwise there would be pictures in btn*.* for Modern and hence -moz-image-region entries in the css

#16 Re: Problems with the toolbar

by glazou

Monday May 12th, 2003 3:02 AM

Use Modern theme please.

#21 Re: Problems with the toolbar

by Cantello

Monday May 12th, 2003 3:52 AM

Thanks, that worked.

#20 Great News

by sparc

Monday May 12th, 2003 3:21 AM

It great to see a few people actually getting up and really making a difference - (initially) blake with Phoenix, mscott with Thunderbird and now glazou with Composer. I really think standalone Composer has a lot of potential - glazou, you rock! :)

#22 Windows Target Audience?

by uga

Monday May 12th, 2003 5:11 AM

Why is it that the first releases of every tool are always targeted to Windows users? I'm sure there's much more insterest in the linux community. Is it just that is easier to develop for windows or what?

(This is not intended to be any flames nor trolling. I just never developed anything using mozilla/gecko... so I'm quite interested in knowing about it)

#23 Linux build coming

by glazou

Monday May 12th, 2003 5:13 AM

Linux build coming. Stay tuned.

#24 Linux build coming

by TheK

Monday May 12th, 2003 6:03 AM

fine :) ..some day soon we can really wipe out the old Mozilla and get 3 fast apps ;)

#25 linux build now available

by glazou

Monday May 12th, 2003 6:35 AM

Linux build now available at

#27 Re: linux build now available

by flacco

Monday May 12th, 2003 7:49 AM

Dude, this is cool!

That huge toolbar is a bit distracting, but i presume you're aware of that :-)

#28 Re: linux build now available

by dpol

Monday May 12th, 2003 8:20 AM

Use the Modern theme and it will go away.

#31 Re: linux build now available

by TheK

Monday May 12th, 2003 3:40 PM

quite good, but I would love to see the COmposer really as the first window (rather strange, that ther openes a Navigator ;). Also please put the files into a subfolder, so we can extract it just to /usr/local and get an composer++/ there....

#26 Fantastic!

by dpol

Monday May 12th, 2003 7:38 AM

Thanks for the Linux build :-)

The improvements look absolutely fabulous! I love the new table editing controls, as well as support for absolute positioning. Now we just need support for CSS and XHTML Strict :-)

Will the new Composer make use of the GRE in the future?

#32 Re: Fantastic!

by cdn

Monday May 12th, 2003 4:58 PM

minor issue : [ Mdk 9 ]

./mozilla-bin: /lib/i686/ version `GLIBC_2.3' not found (required by /mozilla/comppp/ ./mozilla-bin: /lib/i686/ version `GLIBC_2.3' not found (required by /mozilla/comppp/

#29 good idea

by neilparks1

Monday May 12th, 2003 10:28 AM

I'd like to try the new improved Composer, but can never access the site although I've tried several times. Is there a mirror available?

#33 wow - movable CSS layers !!!

by jayeshsh2

Monday May 12th, 2003 6:17 PM


this verson of Composer is amazing! I have been working with pure CSS (tableless) designs for some time now, and the drag-and-dropability of CSS layers is simply astounding. Here is a screenshot:

Wow! Wow! Wow! Amazing! It is the best new feature in Mozilla I have seen this year.

#35 mirror of composer++ at moztips

by jayeshsh2

Monday May 12th, 2003 8:06 PM

I have put up a copy of Composer ++ at, for those of you who cannot reach the original site:

There is only a windows binary, since that is the only one I downloaded.


- Jay

#36 table editing

by flacco

Monday May 12th, 2003 9:05 PM

i really like the approach taken for table editing - you can modify the table structure easily, with single-clicks, and the on-screen controls are unobtrusive enough to not get in your way. It shows that some real thought went into how to make table editing as easy as possible, without resorting to more conventional - but less productive - methods like context menus.

what i would really like to see fixed in composer is the moving of data from a range of cells to another range of cells. the intuitive way to do this is to highlight a range, copy, move to another cell, and paste. what this does instead is past the copied cells *inside* the selected cell. even highlighting a similarly-shaped range of cells results in a wacky layout. worst of all, these paste operations can't be undone! you have to fix manually or resort to a previous copy.

#37 Mac build?

by the_Rebel

Tuesday May 13th, 2003 12:43 AM

Can we expect a Mac OS X build, or do we have to wait for the code to land in the tree?

#38 Re: Mac build?

by glazou

Tuesday May 13th, 2003 3:02 AM

Working on it, stay tuned...

#40 Great! (nt)

by pkb351

Tuesday May 13th, 2003 7:35 PM


#41 Re: Mac build?

by glazou

Wednesday May 14th, 2003 3:24 AM

Mac build now released. Check