Full Article Attached Minutes of the Staff Meeting of Monday 5th May 2003

Thursday May 8th, 2003

The minutes of the staff meeting of Monday 5th May 2003 are now online. Issues discussed include 1.3.1, 1.4 Beta, 1.4 final, the transition to Mozilla Firebird and Mozilla Firebird 0.6.

#1 This isn't going to cause any confusion at all

by beastie

Thursday May 8th, 2003 11:23 PM

"Seamonkey Navigator, Seamonkey Messenger, Mozilla Browser, Mozilla Mail"

#5 Re: This isn't going to cause any confusion at all

by erickleung

Friday May 9th, 2003 12:25 AM

Is it possible to use -Zilla to indicate any standalone products and make it different from the rest of other Suite components.

For example:

Mozilla Browser = Mozilla (1.5 onward!);

Mozilla Mail = MailZilla ;

Mozilla Editor/Composer = ForgeZilla;

Mozilla Chat = ChatZilla;

Mozilla Calendar = DocketZilla;

Mozilla Address Book = CasaZilla;


Just my 0.0002$

#9 Great idea

by kguru

Friday May 9th, 2003 12:35 PM

I think that would be a great idea since it would make people realize that the new seperated apps are created by the Mozilla organization. I do think that Bugzilla will need an explanation of which product is which, otherwise 1.4 branch bugs might end up being in Mozilla Browser and 1.5 nightlies bugs might end up in Seamonkey Navigator. Also while you are updating, I think it would be a good idea to reword the introduction where it says Mozilla is for testing purposes only. Instead it should say something along the lines of: Feel free to test and use the Mozilla releases. Nightly builds are available for testing, however they probably lack the stability for everyday use. does not provide end user support.

#12 Nice

by jedbro

Friday May 9th, 2003 1:03 PM

problem is, ..Zilla is copyrighted isn't it. I thought that is why Netscape had to pay royalties for a few years to keep the mozilla name (to the creators of Godzilla).

Atleast that is what I understood.

#2 Mozilla Browser?

by djst

Thursday May 8th, 2003 11:26 PM

Wasn't the idea to use Firebird/Thunderbird as the project names in eg Bugzilla, just as SeaMonkey will be used for the Mozilla application suite? Why using Mozilla Browser in bugzilla?

#6 Re: Mozilla Browser?

by mlefevre

Friday May 9th, 2003 4:36 AM

may have been the original idea, but it's not the idea now - "Mozilla Browser" is going to be used everywhere. "Firebird" will be used officially only from now until the 1.4 release, after that it'll only be an unofficial codename thing, like "Buffy" for the next Netscape release, or "Longhorn" for the next version of Windows.

From the branding document: "4. Use the names "Mozilla Browser" and "Mozilla Mail" to describe the Firebird and Thunderbird projects after the 1.4 release.

Also, this branding should be found throughout the projects if possible instead of referring to the Firebird and Thunderbird names directly. Project names are transitory. As long as we have both a mail and browser project, we should be using the mozilla brand and reinforcing it whenever we get the chance. [...] Product Naming in resources, executables and on the desktop

The Mozilla Browser and Mail programs should try to stick to the mozilla product name whenever possible, even in resource names. For example, registry keys would use a key name that includes "MozillaBrowser" or "Mozilla/Browser." For an executable you might use MozillaBrowser, mozilla-browser, mozbrwsr.exe or mozilla-browser.exe"

full doc is available from this

#10 Wow!

by jedbro

Friday May 9th, 2003 1:00 PM

Makes sense to me... Mozilla Firbird is the name to the 'former Phoenix' befor the transition to 1.5

Once 1.4 get out, new branding goes into place... =) easy! (and no, it's not sarcasm)

#13 branding

by vfwlkr

Friday May 9th, 2003 4:06 PM

Then, either there was much ado about nothing... or there is nothing because there was much ado. Seriously, if this was THE plan, then what was wrong with having Mozilla Phoenix as the transitionary name until 1.5?

#29 Re: branding

by bzbarsky

Sunday May 11th, 2003 9:21 AM

The fact that there was a lawsuit being threatened RIGHT THEN, and 1.5 is still at least a month off (at the time it was more like two months off)?

#8 Re: Mozilla Browser?

by jgraham

Friday May 9th, 2003 6:14 AM

Because everything the user sees will be labeled 'Mozilla Browser'? Calling it Mozilla Firebird in the bug database would just be confusing for people wanting to report bugs, especially those who are unaware of the history of the product.

#20 Re: Mozilla Browser?

by djst

Saturday May 10th, 2003 10:32 AM

Yes, I'm not suggesting that calling it Mozilla Firebird in bugzilla is a particulary good idea, I was just confused because I've heard for a very long time that "Firebird" would be the project name (used in e.g. bugzilla) and Mozilla Browser would be the used as the product name.

I guess that has changed now.

#21 Re: Re: Mozilla Browser?

by jgraham

Saturday May 10th, 2003 11:15 AM

Ok :)

I remember the same thing being said, but things do seem to have changed.

#3 RSN = ?

by fishbert

Thursday May 8th, 2003 11:43 PM

*Mozilla Firebird 0.6*

- A few more "Phoenix" things to rename - Released RSN

What does "Released RSN" mean?

#4 Re: RSN = ?

by BradNeuberg

Friday May 9th, 2003 12:02 AM

It usually means Real Soon Now (RSN).

#7 Re: Re: RSN = ?

by feepcreature

Friday May 9th, 2003 5:01 AM

It STANDS FOR "Real Soon Now".

What it actually MEANS is often something quite different :)


#14 A few more "Phoenix" things to rename

by cactusleague

Friday May 9th, 2003 10:00 PM

Find and replace, ok? these guys are pathetic! RSN means Real Stupid Nuckleheads

#15 bite me

by beastie

Friday May 9th, 2003 11:08 PM

And people that do nothing but complain and don't help only make us want to work faster!!

#16 you call what you're not doing WORK?

by cactusleague

Friday May 9th, 2003 11:20 PM

you losers have been dragging this glendale release out ad nauseum

#17 For someone getting a gift, you're pretty rude...

by bzbarsky

Friday May 9th, 2003 11:50 PM

Why not try contributing some of your own time to a volunteer effort? That may give you some perspective on the "release date" situation....

#27 Re: Re: choice

by cactusleague

Saturday May 10th, 2003 11:28 PM

Would you like me to wash your little dick for you, too?

#28 Re: Re: Re: choice

by bzbarsky

Saturday May 10th, 2003 11:41 PM

Yes, since you seem to be incapable of doing anything else productive. When can you start?

#30 Re: Re: Re: Re: choice

by cactusleague

Sunday May 11th, 2003 9:45 AM

As soon as you can find it. It seems to have disappeared along with your ability to get off your ass and do something.

#31 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: choice

by bzbarsky

Sunday May 11th, 2003 10:14 AM

Hmm? You seem to have major vision problems, as well as lack of sensation in your extremities. Have you considered seeing a doctor? Sounds like advanced leprosy or syphilis to me....

#34 Re: Re: Re: Re: choice

by cactusleague

Sunday May 11th, 2003 12:38 PM

been fun trash talking with you, dickless. good luck with school. hope you learn something and get a job at microsoft. as far as firebird is concerned, going ahead and make a career out of releasing the next version. you're losing "interested end users" every day.

#35 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: choice

by bzbarsky

Sunday May 11th, 2003 7:30 PM

I have no plans to work in the computer industry, much less at Microsoft.

As for "firebird", I frankly could not care less about it.

#36 Re: Re: Re: Re: choice

by cactusleague

Sunday May 11th, 2003 8:21 PM

me too. are you russian? here's a mozilla splash screen you might like.

#37 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: choice

by bzbarsky

Monday May 12th, 2003 9:35 PM

No, I am not russian. And I hate all splash screens with an equal and undying passion.

Thank God Mozilla does not use a splash on Unix by default. Further thank God for -nosplash on other platforms.

#38 Re: Re: Re: Re: choice

by cactusleague

Monday May 12th, 2003 10:10 PM

Well, I tried being nice and it didn't work. A bit of a masochist, are we? Fine. Here’s your daily verbal abuse: Get a new name, Boris, you third world jackass. Unix is for losers who like doing everything the hard way, but that's you isn't it. Splash screens are just part of the commercialized western culture you must hate. And don't thank God. You don't believe in God, remember? You commie faggot!

#39 Re: Re: Re: Re: choice

by cactusleague

Tuesday May 13th, 2003 10:50 PM

Gift? As opposed to what, charging me for it? What is this Opera? Since when, aren't browsers free? As for rude, isn't that what Boris means in Russian?

#40 Re: Re: Re: Re: choice

by cactusleague

Tuesday May 13th, 2003 10:51 PM

Gift? As opposed to what, charging me for it? What is this Opera? Since when, aren't browsers free? As for rude, isn't that what Boris means in Russian?

#19 choice

by beastie

Saturday May 10th, 2003 2:10 AM

When it's a choice between having a real life or volunteering my time only to have people like you complain all the time, I'm glad bz's around to keep me interested in the projects.

#25 Re: choice

by Tanyel

Saturday May 10th, 2003 9:08 PM

Some of the people, who complain about your project, also spend a significant amount of time supporting the browser and convincing people to try it, only to become dejected by hypocrisy, false promises, and lack of accountability. Make your project respectable and maybe people will support you for more than not being Microsoft.

#26 Re: Re: choice

by cactusleague

Saturday May 10th, 2003 11:24 PM

Exactly. I still can't understand how changing the the name of the browser can be so time consuming. I'm inclined to believe that their are other unresolved issues with the release that are being held back. The responses to my cobservations have been overly defensive. Perhaps this is due to my "fantasy baseball trash talking" style of message postimg.

#11 Nice

by jedbro

Friday May 9th, 2003 1:02 PM

Nice to see the plan for the switch coming along nicely!

#18 Re: Nice

by fishbert

Friday May 9th, 2003 11:54 PM

Yes, the *plan* is coming along nicely. As for the actual switch.... =)

(just kidding all you hard-working developer-type folks)


by ryanrafferty

Saturday May 10th, 2003 1:45 PM

With the release of 1.5, I hope they take the design philosophy of 1.5 (leaner, meaner browser suite) and apply something similar to

I think mozilla has a chance to go mainstream in a big way, but I think one part of that is how you market the software, and the ease of use of the website they are marketed on-- is lacking simplicity. I think just as mozilla components are being simplified and separated, compontents of the homepage should be simplified and separated too- keep it simple!

#23 Re:

by bzbarsky

Saturday May 10th, 2003 2:14 PM

That's nice. Are you volunteering to do the work? If so, today is a good day to start coming up with a new website design.

#24 Re: Re:

by cgonyea

Saturday May 10th, 2003 6:34 PM

I would be interested in coming up with a design for, maybe I can whip up something this week :)

#32 Re: Re:

by WillyWonka

Sunday May 11th, 2003 10:52 AM

What ever happened to that Zope redesign of Nothing happened for a really long time and it just seems to have dissapeared or something. I can't find anything on it by searching

#33 Re: Re: Re:

by bzbarsky

Sunday May 11th, 2003 11:36 AM

See n.p.m.documentation. The Zope redesign had some technical issues (lack of useful revision history) that were never addressed by its proponents.