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Nightly Builds of Mozilla Firebird Available for Mac OS X

Sunday May 4th, 2003

The first nightly build of Mozilla Firebird for Mac OS X is now available. mozilla.org's commitment to deliver an OS X version of Firebird was announced in the new Roadmap, which was unveiled last month. The critically-acclaimed Camino browser, which features Mac OS X's native Aqua look-and-feel, will continue to be developed with the full support of mozilla.org.


#1 Is this that unofficial port?

by MozSaidAloha

Sunday May 4th, 2003 9:45 AM

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Is this build the unofficial port that has been floating around on the net or a new build?

#2 Re: Is this that unofficial port?

by AlexBishop <alex@mozillazine.org>

Sunday May 4th, 2003 10:02 AM

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"Is this build the unofficial port that has been floating around on the net or a new build?"

Official.

Alex

#3 still called phoenix...

by wtmcgee

Sunday May 4th, 2003 10:38 AM

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the app is still called phoenix, strange.

so is this going to be the replacement for mozilla on OS X now?

#4 Re: still called phoenix...

by WillyWonka

Sunday May 4th, 2003 10:46 AM

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No, not until 1.5. 1.4 has yet to be released. They are just getting the servers building the software nightly so they can begin working on the "conversion".

#5 Firebird nightly Help, About

by flacco

Sunday May 4th, 2003 10:55 AM

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In the Firebird nightly, select Help, About.

Do you think we could possibly make the Firebird logo any more fucking gay?

#6 Re: Firebird nightly Help, About

by onelists <onelists@hotmail.com>

Sunday May 4th, 2003 11:17 AM

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I don't see anything in the logo specifically involving happiness or homosexuality, nor any sex taking place. Maybe you're confusing the logo with your porn collection?

#14 If you're using a mac

by brianmurphy

Sunday May 4th, 2003 3:58 PM

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What do you expect?

#18 Re: If you're using a mac

by wtmcgee

Sunday May 4th, 2003 10:49 PM

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how mature...

#24 Re: Firebird nightly Help, About

by hoodedone0 <hoodedone@gmail.com>

Monday May 5th, 2003 10:52 AM

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*rolls eyes*

Yeah, that'll make a *great* Bugzilla report.

If you really want, I bet somebody can whip up a special "branded" version for you...

#7 Whatever

by Tanyel <tanyel@straightblack.com>

Sunday May 4th, 2003 11:45 AM

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I have no more respect for Netscape and its derivatives.

#8 Re: Whatever?

by zevious

Sunday May 4th, 2003 11:59 AM

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Did you ever?

Troll.

#10 no, she didnt.

by joschi

Sunday May 4th, 2003 1:13 PM

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she's just a troll, and a really bad one at that.

#12 Re: Re: Whatever?

by MXN

Sunday May 4th, 2003 2:09 PM

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#16 According to that link...

by JuanGonzalez

Sunday May 4th, 2003 4:32 PM

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Thanks, Minh (MXN). According to that link <http://www.mozillazine.or…rticle=1052&message=7> , Tanyel seems to be a long-time supporter of Mozilla, since years ago. Sorry to hear she has changed his mind.

Just remember that, as the Mozilla driver Brendan Eich explained to the database people in the Firebird-General list two weeks ago, the Mozilla team really didn't expect such a reaction from the other open source project. It has been just an unintentional accident, corrected with the middle point between the two positions, that is the new Mozilla Branding: From "Firebird(TM)" (April) -> "Mozilla Firebird" (May) -> "Mozilla Browser" (June).

#26 Mozilla and Firebird

by ryanrafferty <ryan.rafferty@gmail.com>

Monday May 5th, 2003 4:22 PM

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I have a huge amount of respect for everyone that contributes to the Mozilla project, they have a history of making good software-- and although they may have missed the mark in a few little areas, I believe they are on track with 1.5 and doing a fantastic job!

I just tried out the firebird release and it worked as expected, they still have a little way to go to get the interface in-line with OS X appearance guidelines (e.g. preference menu in the right spot, about menu, pinstripe theme, some new icons)-- and just those very minor touches that give it that OS X feel. I know you may think it's nit-picking but I think those little touches are pretty important.

Firebird so far worked great, and I know it's only going to get better, I still experienced a few very acceptable minor issues (like real player issues..). I think that firebird is really worth giving a try (like Camino, and the newer Mach-O Mozilla builds).

Keep up the good work!!

#9 Re: Whatever

by bzbarsky

Sunday May 4th, 2003 12:02 PM

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That's fine, since Mozilla is not a Netscape derivative.

Not to mention that, frankly, no one cares what you think.

#11 Golden rule #2376 . . .

by DJGM2002

Sunday May 4th, 2003 2:04 PM

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. . . don't feed the trolls . . . !

#17 Re: Re: Whatever

by Tanyel <tanyel@straightblack.com>

Sunday May 4th, 2003 10:31 PM

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"Mozilla is not a Netscape derivative."

That is a blatant lie.

"no one cares what you think"

They do care what I think. If they did not care, they would not call me a troll and occasionally tell people to ignore me. They are afraid people will read the things I type and realize I am right.

#19 Re: Re: Re: Whatever

by simifilm

Sunday May 4th, 2003 11:55 PM

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You need professional help.

#21 Re: Re: Re: Whatever

by bzbarsky

Monday May 5th, 2003 7:26 AM

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Wow. Calling someone a liar for speaking the truth is _such_ a good way to be considered "right"....

#27 Re: Re: Re: Re: Whatever

by Tanyel <tanyel@straightblack.com>

Monday May 5th, 2003 10:49 PM

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"Calling someone a liar for speaking the truth is _such_ a good way to be considered 'right'"

I called someone a liar because that person told a lie. The Mozilla project was spawned from Netscape as a way to defeat Internet Explorer. That would make Mozilla a derivative of Netscape.

#34 Old data, my friend...

by Millennium

Tuesday May 6th, 2003 2:08 PM

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While you're correct that Mozilla was originally spawned from Netscape, they then decided to throw out all the old Netscape code completely (you can still find it on the Mozilla FTP site, I think), and start completely from scratch. So while Mozilla was at one point a Netscape derivative, the tables have turned, and now Netscape is a Mozilla derivative.

Why don't you have any respect for it anymore, anyway? Honest curiosity; perhaps I've just missed a few of your posts, but I've never seen you elaborate on why you hate Netscape so much.

#36 Re: Old data, my friend...

by Tanyel <tanyel@straightblack.com>

Tuesday May 6th, 2003 10:03 PM

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"Netscape is a Mozilla derivative"

I might be referring to organizations rather than browsers.

"Why don't you have any respect for it anymore, anyway? Honest curiosity; perhaps I've just missed a few of your posts, but I've never seen you elaborate on why you hate Netscape so much."

Here is one you may have missed.

<http://www.mozillazine.or…le=3136&message=28#28>

#37 So, in other words...

by Millennium

Wednesday May 7th, 2003 9:40 AM

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In other words, you don't like Mozilla because Netscape 6.0 didn't have an interface which appealed to your sense of aesthetics. Nothing whatsoever about the merits of the browser.

You really are nothing but a troll, then.

#38 Re: So, in other words...

by Tanyel <tanyel@straightblack.com>

Wednesday May 7th, 2003 10:06 AM

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MS_Zilla Troll, I believe either you are too stupid to read what I typed or you are intentionally attempting to make people misunderstand what I was saying. Because you might just be too stupid, I will tell you again. My lost of respect for the Mozilla project is due to the complete hypocrisy and abandonment of justice and morality at the organization, causing Mozilla to be no different than Microsoft. They intend to trample those they can trample and do any unethical thing they can do to win, regardless of what is right. Now call me a troll and lie about what I was saying again.

#40 Re: Re: So, in other words...

by Millennium

Thursday May 8th, 2003 12:56 PM

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I'm trying to make people misunderstand what you're saying? How can I possibly be doing that, when as far as I can tell, you're not actually saying anything at all?

You speak of "hypocrisy" and "abandonment of justice and morality", yet as far as I've been able to figure, you haven't told us what exactly they did which was so hypocritical, unjust, or immoral. Perhaps when you can actually tell us what they supposedly did that was so terrible, you'll find yourself beinf taken more seriously.

#41 Re: Re: Re: So, in other words...

by Tanyel <tanyel@straightblack.com>

Friday May 9th, 2003 12:19 AM

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"I'm trying to make people misunderstand what you're saying?"

Yes.

"How can I possibly be doing that, when as far as I can tell, you're not actually saying anything at all?"

Any sentient person could "tell." I do not know why you cannot.

"you haven't told us what exactly they did which was so hypocritical, unjust, or immoral"

I have.

"Perhaps when you can actually tell us what they supposedly did that was so terrible, you'll find yourself beinf taken more seriously."

I am taken seriously. That is why you are so afraid of me that you have to lie.

#42 Oh, this is just starting to get fun...

by Millennium

Sunday May 11th, 2003 2:04 PM

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"Any sentient person could 'tell.' I do not know why you cannot. "

OK, fine, maybe I'm sub-sentient then. Spell it out.

"I am taken seriously. That is why you are so afraid of me that you have to lie."

Name a single person who is taking you seriously. Just one name, that's all I ask. Not counting yourself, of course.

Am I lying? I don't think so. I have no reason to believe that anything I have said is untrue. If you think I'm lying, then prove what I've said to be incorrect. Surely that's not such a hard thing to do, if Mozilla/Netscape/whoever is really so hypocritical and immoral.

#13 Re: Whatever

by sedination

Sunday May 4th, 2003 2:48 PM

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Then why still visit Mozillazine?

#15 Re: Whatever

by KaiRo <KaiRo@KaiRo.at>

Sunday May 4th, 2003 3:58 PM

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<feed who="troll">Maybe you don't get that it's the other way round: Netscape is a derivative of Mozilla ;-)</feed>

#20 Re: Whatever

by Lorien <lorien420@myrealbox.com>

Monday May 5th, 2003 3:32 AM

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Why?

#25 Re: Why?

by JuanGonzalez

Monday May 5th, 2003 11:41 AM

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Lorien wrote:

> Why?

Lorien, if you read Tanyel's comments during the naming debate, you will know. Truly, she didn't mince words to say directly what she thinks. ;)

#28 Re: Re: Whatever

by Tanyel <tanyel@straightblack.com>

Monday May 5th, 2003 11:28 PM

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I became a Netscape fan when I was introduced to Netscape 2. I think I was twelve years old. I became a Netscape fan shortly afterward. Then Microsoft finally figured people like the Internet and decided to crush Netscape with their Internet Explorer. At this point, I realised I was a Netscape loyalist. I resisted Microsoft and continued to use their browsers, even Netscape 4.x. I finally switched to Internet Explorer for pragmatic reasons when Netscape 4.5 was released. I think the primary upgrade was a "Shop @ Netscape" button.

Then, Mozilla.org was formed and, regardless of propaganda, it was fromed by Netscape, which would make it a derivative of Netscape. I learned they were making a new Netscape web browser. They insisted Mozilla.org was not Netscape but I ignored that and supported the project anyway. Their browser was not good. I supported them for moral reasons. They were the victims of Microsoft, and the primary challenger to Microsoft. I tried to get my friends to use the browser but I was unsuccessful because the browser often crashed and had an unprofessional appearance.

At this point, even when the browser improved, I had no practical reason to support Netscape. Then the company sold itself to America Online. Now there was no Netscape to support. I supported Mozilla because I thought it was the hero, battling the evil Microsoft. My only reason to support Mozilla was a moral reason. The way Mozilla.org responded to the Firebird database project has destroyed any moral value they had in my mind. Now they are just another Microsoft. That is why I have lost all respect for Netscape and its derivatives.

#29 Tell Me

by googolplex

Tuesday May 6th, 2003 8:45 AM

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You say you have no "practical" reason to support Netscape. What is your "practical" reason for visiting Mozillazine?

#32 Re: Tell Me

by Tanyel <tanyel@straightblack.com>

Tuesday May 6th, 2003 9:04 AM

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"What is your 'practical' reason for visiting Mozillazine?"

There is no practical reason. This is personal.

#35 Well that's petty (nt)

by googolplex

Tuesday May 6th, 2003 3:53 PM

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Well that is petty

#39 And you are purely stupid.

by Tanyel <tanyel@straightblack.com>

Wednesday May 7th, 2003 2:26 PM

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"Well that is petty"

And you are purely stupid.

#30 Re: Re: Re: Whatever

by AlexBishop <alex@mozillazine.org>

Tuesday May 6th, 2003 8:55 AM

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"I finally switched to Internet Explorer for pragmatic reasons when Netscape 4.5 was released. I think the primary upgrade was a "Shop @ Netscape" button."

That was 4.7. 4.5 was actually a fairly major upgrade, particularly in terms of Messenger.

Alex

#31 Re: Re: Re: Re: Whatever

by Tanyel <tanyel@straightblack.com>

Tuesday May 6th, 2003 9:01 AM

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Try not to miss the points. I was asked why I no longer have respect for Netscape and its derivatives.

#33 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Whatever

by AlexBishop <alex@mozillazine.org>

Tuesday May 6th, 2003 9:04 AM

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"Try not to miss the points. I was asked why I no longer have respect for Netscape and its derivatives."

I wasn't trying to miss the points; more go off on a tangent.

Alex

#22 Eh, I guess it achieves what it's supposed to

by luserpete <doane@canada.com>

Monday May 5th, 2003 8:17 AM

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It's pretty much exactly the same as Firebird on windows (expect with some missing functionality). And I suppose that's what it's for. But except for a couple extra features, there's no reason not to use Camino. Sure, Firebird looks the same on every platfrom (now including OS X), but doesn't the defeat the purpose of using OS X?

#23 Re: Eh, I guess it achieves what it's supposed to

by hoodedone0 <hoodedone@gmail.com>

Monday May 5th, 2003 10:49 AM

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I think it all boils down to whether you want the XUL or not.