Firebird Database Project Issues New Statement on Naming Debate

Thursday May 1st, 2003

On Tuesday, the Firebird database project's main front page was updated with another statement from the Firebird Admins about the naming controversy. The announcement suggests that the database project's leaders may be satisified if and related sites follow the policy of the Mozilla branding guidelines to the letter and only ever refer to the former Phoenix browser as 'Mozilla Firebird'. According to the update, the Firebird Admins, the FirebirdSQL Foundation committee and the IBPhoenix principals (the IBPhoenix site appears to be down right now) sent a formal letter to on Friday and are awaiting a response.

The statement also links to an assessment of the Firebird database community's legal position, published by the FirebirdSQL Foundation. We were not able to verify the accuracy of this legal advice, which was researched by Pavel Cisar, one of the database project's administrators, and two unnamed legal consultants. Interestingly, the document reveals for the first time that the FirebirdSQL Foundation is considering suing In the past, the group has claimed that they are not interested in taking legal action and could not afford to anyway. The Foundation has also published another summary of how they believe's use of the Firebird name harms the database project.

#77 Sorry, we tried and we're still trying

by JStarkey <>

Monday May 5th, 2003 5:51 AM

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From the beginning, the Firebird people HAVE been trying to talk the Mozilla folks, but they don't return phone calls, they don't reply to mail, and they don't respond on forums like this. Their activity through the mediator apparently started and stopped with a demand for an appology for trying to contact them, which they promptly turned into a headline article on Mozillazine.

The Firebird folk don't understand why they refuse to talk. Perhaps you could use your good efforts to convince the guys to talk.

Your accusation of spamming is false and unfair. All the Firebird folks did was repost the email addresses of the Mozilla principles as posted on the Mozilla site. They made to efforts to recruit anyone to mailbomb these people. And, correct me if I'm wrong, none of the people listed have actually complained about the mail they received.

On the other hand, Mozilla members have send death threats to Ann and any number of obscene mail messages. If we wanted to play at the level of Mozilla, you would have seen a headline in the mainstream press "Software Group Issues Death Threat".