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Firebird Database Project Issues New Statement on Naming Debate

Thursday May 1st, 2003

On Tuesday, the Firebird database project's main front page was updated with another statement from the Firebird Admins about the naming controversy. The announcement suggests that the database project's leaders may be satisified if mozilla.org and related sites follow the policy of the Mozilla branding guidelines to the letter and only ever refer to the former Phoenix browser as 'Mozilla Firebird'. According to the update, the Firebird Admins, the FirebirdSQL Foundation committee and the IBPhoenix principals (the IBPhoenix site appears to be down right now) sent a formal letter to mozilla.org on Friday and are awaiting a response.

The statement also links to an assessment of the Firebird database community's legal position, published by the FirebirdSQL Foundation. We were not able to verify the accuracy of this legal advice, which was researched by Pavel Cisar, one of the database project's administrators, and two unnamed legal consultants. Interestingly, the document reveals for the first time that the FirebirdSQL Foundation is considering suing mozilla.org. In the past, the group has claimed that they are not interested in taking legal action and could not afford to anyway. The Foundation has also published another summary of how they believe mozilla.org's use of the Firebird name harms the database project.


#69 The contact way, and what open source is...

by JuanGonzalez

Sunday May 4th, 2003 2:59 PM

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JStarkey wrote:

> "If Mozilla.org were willing to put into a signed, binding agreement, we could put this all behind us. But if they're not even willing to discuss this, it does call into question their sincerity."

> "They know where to find Firebird. If they want to end it, have your guys contact our guys. Simple enough?"

Yes, I've read at firebirdsql.org about the formal letter sent to Mozilla on April 25. If it's really true that they didn't reply, I admit that it's a little odd. A possible explanation is that perhaps they thought their answer was the new Mozilla Branding, published the same day, because this Branding is a middle point that seems to reasonably satisfy most people in the two open source projects. Of course I don't know, but this seems the most likely reason.

If you wish to discuss more details with the Mozilla staff, have you tried the normal and official contact way in Mozilla for other projects, explained already in the second half of a previous post? <http://www.mozillazine.or…icle=3134&message=6#6> If the spokesperson cannot at least delegate a representative to reply your messages with the official Mozilla position, I concede that it would be strange indeed, because I don't think that personal feelings will interfere with their professional efficiency.

But naturally this is a step more than just, for example, database people saying "they know where to find Firebird" or Mozilla people replying "we published the Branding already".

Please, both projects, walk that step, not to fight again, but to finish officially the fight and start collaborating together as the open source projects that you are. You are no more the Netscape and Borland corporations, but two developer communities, part of the worldwide open source movement. Surely all of us, grassroots of both projects, will be truly happy if you do it and shake hands.

Remember one of the most basic C++ codes:

if (OpenSource == FriendlyCooperation) { ItHasMeaning = true; }

;)