Firebird Database Project Issues New Statement on Naming Debate

Thursday May 1st, 2003

On Tuesday, the Firebird database project's main front page was updated with another statement from the Firebird Admins about the naming controversy. The announcement suggests that the database project's leaders may be satisified if and related sites follow the policy of the Mozilla branding guidelines to the letter and only ever refer to the former Phoenix browser as 'Mozilla Firebird'. According to the update, the Firebird Admins, the FirebirdSQL Foundation committee and the IBPhoenix principals (the IBPhoenix site appears to be down right now) sent a formal letter to on Friday and are awaiting a response.

The statement also links to an assessment of the Firebird database community's legal position, published by the FirebirdSQL Foundation. We were not able to verify the accuracy of this legal advice, which was researched by Pavel Cisar, one of the database project's administrators, and two unnamed legal consultants. Interestingly, the document reveals for the first time that the FirebirdSQL Foundation is considering suing In the past, the group has claimed that they are not interested in taking legal action and could not afford to anyway. The Foundation has also published another summary of how they believe's use of the Firebird name harms the database project.

#39 All gone far to far

by AndyMcM

Friday May 2nd, 2003 5:31 AM

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Okay this is just daft this thing has gone far to far now. Lets take a step back and try and have a sensible overview of this whole thing.

So first off Phoenix has been asked to change its name by a comercial company that produces BIOS's(there excuse they are going to start to integrate browsers into BIOS's fair enough). So Mozilla says okay we have to change the name because we dont want any legal action against Mozilla because they can afford it if they loose.

So what do Mozilla decide to do change there name to Firebird but wait its already the name of a SMALLER open source project database project. Can no one see that Mozilla is doing exactly the same to the Firebird open source project as what Phoenix BIOS is doing to Mozilla?? Mozilla is pushing its weight around with Firebird DB to take its name from them. Its all school yard bullying going on here.

The way I see it is that Mozilla is being a bully in the open source comunity with this name thing. They seem to forget that they have just been bullyed themselves and should have some more respect for other projects in the open source comunity.

So now we have the whole name thing, Firebird is conceding that they will be happy if Mozilla call Phoenix "Mozilla Firebird" so can we not call Phoenix "Mozilla Phoenix" would this be enough to get Phoenix BIOS off Mozilla's back?

So we now get to a face off with everyone, hopefully some cool heads will prevail and calm the whole situation down and it will be sorted out sensibly.