Firebird Database Project Issues New Statement on Naming Debate

Thursday May 1st, 2003

On Tuesday, the Firebird database project's main front page was updated with another statement from the Firebird Admins about the naming controversy. The announcement suggests that the database project's leaders may be satisified if and related sites follow the policy of the Mozilla branding guidelines to the letter and only ever refer to the former Phoenix browser as 'Mozilla Firebird'. According to the update, the Firebird Admins, the FirebirdSQL Foundation committee and the IBPhoenix principals (the IBPhoenix site appears to be down right now) sent a formal letter to on Friday and are awaiting a response.

The statement also links to an assessment of the Firebird database community's legal position, published by the FirebirdSQL Foundation. We were not able to verify the accuracy of this legal advice, which was researched by Pavel Cisar, one of the database project's administrators, and two unnamed legal consultants. Interestingly, the document reveals for the first time that the FirebirdSQL Foundation is considering suing In the past, the group has claimed that they are not interested in taking legal action and could not afford to anyway. The Foundation has also published another summary of how they believe's use of the Firebird name harms the database project.

#10 Come. Sue me.

by Kommet

Thursday May 1st, 2003 4:56 PM

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Firebird, Firebird, Firebird, Firebird. The browser.

Used to be called Phoenix, Phoenix, Phoenix, Phoenix. The non-BIOS company, open-source browser.

Now go ahead and sue me. I said Firebird and meant a browser and not a car or a DB or a BBS or a blender. How naughty. How mean. How "Who gives a shit?".

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Enough of this bullshit. All I hear is: "We are being hurt! We had that name third! We are going to sue!"

The only thing they are really doing is being annoying. Even IF they had a valid argument (legal or otherwise) their tactics are childish, poorly conceived, and creating a fair amount of badwill (opposite of goodwill :-) ) for their project. I can think of a thousand better ways to approach the issue than spamming forums at MZ or mailbombing people.

Any claims that Mozilla (the organization) was harsh or uncaring or bellicose are falling on deaf ears here. Their behavior has given me no incentive to give 1/1000th of a shit about what they are saying. The message got lost in the delivery.

They may have one hell of a relational database, but I, for one, am not being convinced to try it to find. I do think the FirebirdSQL and IBPhoenix admins will be passing their next physicals, though. Their reflexes are obviously fine, as proven by the recent knee-jerk reaction...